Not a bad experience

Hey guys, wave to old friends out there.

For fun I installed GW 2014 on my Windows 8 box (yes I know,
unsupported). Worked fairly well, a few random comments

1. The admin service acted a bit weird for a while, and I had to reboot
a few times before the connection was established.

2. The whole MMC and Free/Busy stuff is poorly documented. I glean it is
part of the coexistence solution and otherwise not needed. This should
be made clear. Speaking of which Ldap Config Id field still confuses me
so I assume it will confuse most ;)

3. The install screen is so spartan which is nice but really should
offer more info.Also things like MMC, Free/Busy, Calendar publishing
(and imanager snapin if added), should go on separate "Other stuff" page.

4. The help in the admin console needs to be improved, lots of fields
missed etc.

5. WebAccess install on windows permits install on a non-IIS box (this
turned out to be convenient for me since I just hit tomcat directly, but
given the stern text probably should be allowed )

6. Possibly because of #5 - the built in tomcat http was left on.
Shoulda disabled this and left just ajp given the "requirement" of
IIS/Apache.

7. The intercorrelation of ldap directories, servers, import, etc. Is a
tad confusing for neophytes. This should have been its own section with
its own wizards or info, to make it clearer

8. the http consoles for the agents really should have had their styles
look more like the admin console.

9. Some fields on the admin interface are just too spartan and short for
clarity.

10. The System tab really looks even more chaotic as a series of icons.
It needs subsections (like the ldap bit). I probably missed it
somewhere, but I assume I can update the superadmin credential? That
credential is per admin install or per system?

11. The Objects tab if I understand its purpose should really show up at
end of each object. Not second as it does sometimes.

12. The "cross tab" look in the admin of left side and top side tabs, is
still confusing, and possibly more so than C1 ;)

13. Some fields show up even when they make no sense. Exmple: Password
field at the PO level. Ok, if this were DEFAULT password I understand.
But it shows up and its unchangeable which is silly.

14. As noted iManager snapin didn't ship with product.

15. Since I don't have this to test, I assume if I had a second server,
I'd install GroupWise Server Code again? How would I connect its admin
with the first server, Or did I miss that the first time?
  • On 4/6/2014 4:46 PM, Michael Bell wrote:
    > Hey guys, wave to old friends out there.
    >
    > For fun I installed GW 2014 on my Windows 8 box (yes I know,
    > unsupported). Worked fairly well, a few random comments
    >
    > 1. The admin service acted a bit weird for a while, and I had to reboot
    > a few times before the connection was established.
    >
    > 2. The whole MMC and Free/Busy stuff is poorly documented. I glean it is
    > part of the coexistence solution and otherwise not needed. This should
    > be made clear. Speaking of which Ldap Config Id field still confuses me
    > so I assume it will confuse most ;)
    >
    > 3. The install screen is so spartan which is nice but really should
    > offer more info.Also things like MMC, Free/Busy, Calendar publishing
    > (and imanager snapin if added), should go on separate "Other stuff" page.
    >
    > 4. The help in the admin console needs to be improved, lots of fields
    > missed etc.
    >
    > 5. WebAccess install on windows permits install on a non-IIS box (this
    > turned out to be convenient for me since I just hit tomcat directly, but
    > given the stern text probably should be allowed )
    >
    > 6. Possibly because of #5 - the built in tomcat http was left on.
    > Shoulda disabled this and left just ajp given the "requirement" of
    > IIS/Apache.
    >
    > 7. The intercorrelation of ldap directories, servers, import, etc. Is a
    > tad confusing for neophytes. This should have been its own section with
    > its own wizards or info, to make it clearer
    >
    > 8. the http consoles for the agents really should have had their styles
    > look more like the admin console.
    >
    > 9. Some fields on the admin interface are just too spartan and short for
    > clarity.
    >
    > 10. The System tab really looks even more chaotic as a series of icons.
    > It needs subsections (like the ldap bit). I probably missed it
    > somewhere, but I assume I can update the superadmin credential? That
    > credential is per admin install or per system?
    >
    > 11. The Objects tab if I understand its purpose should really show up at
    > end of each object. Not second as it does sometimes.
    >
    > 12. The "cross tab" look in the admin of left side and top side tabs, is
    > still confusing, and possibly more so than C1 ;)
    >
    > 13. Some fields show up even when they make no sense. Exmple: Password
    > field at the PO level. Ok, if this were DEFAULT password I understand.
    > But it shows up and its unchangeable which is silly.
    >
    > 14. As noted iManager snapin didn't ship with product.
    >
    > 15. Since I don't have this to test, I assume if I had a second server,
    > I'd install GroupWise Server Code again? How would I connect its admin
    > with the first server, Or did I miss that the first time?

    Ok I checked #15 in the install guide, and it mostly makes sense. Gotta
    ip connecto to primary domain or po. Could someone maliciously add a
    domain this way I wonder. Probably not.

    One thing: The install mode is supposedly token based and is
    unauthorized after an hour. I'm still able to run it 24 hours after my
    oriignal install.
  • Michael Bell wrote:

    > One thing: The install mode is supposedly token based and is unauthorized
    > after an hour. I'm still able to run it 24 hours after my oriignal install.


    The icon on the server itself will always be active. But if you were to hit the
    server from a different PC, or just go to the browser and try to access, you
    would be prompted for a new token - at least that's the theory!

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    Danita
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  • Michael Bell wrote:

    > Hey guys, wave to old friends out there.


    Howdy!
    > 1. The admin service acted a bit weird for a while, and I had to reboot a few
    > times before the connection was established.


    It takes a long time to load. Paul and I documented that pretty well in our
    upgrade guide, but yes, you have to be patient!

    > 2. The whole MMC and Free/Busy stuff is poorly documented. I glean it is part
    > of the coexistence solution and otherwise not needed. This should be made
    > clear. Speaking of which Ldap Config Id field still confuses me so I assume it
    > will confuse most ;)


    I suspect Novell intends folks to go to the documentation first - it is a very
    spartan Windows install now (very similar to the Linux installation). It seems
    to assume that you know more than most newbees would know - and you don't
    actually fit into the "newbee" definition. My take has been that a true
    neophyte can probably sit down and install a new system with little
    difficulties. It's those who actually understand GroupWise who will get hung up
    by making a lot of false assumptions.


    > 3. The install screen is so spartan which is nice but really should offer more
    > info.Also things like MMC, Free/Busy, Calendar publishing (and imanager snapin
    > if added), should go on separate "Other stuff" page.


    BTW MMC is the Active Directory plugin that can be used to create users. The
    Free/Busy is indeed part of the co-existence solution,

    > 5. WebAccess install on windows permits install on a non-IIS box (this turned
    > out to be convenient for me since I just hit tomcat directly, but given the
    > stern text probably should be allowed )


    Very interesting! I remember installing once without IIS, and I when I saw the
    empty website field, I canceled out. Never tried to go further.

    > 7. The intercorrelation of ldap directories, servers, import, etc. Is a tad
    > confusing for neophytes. This should have been its own section with its own
    > wizards or info, to make it clearer.


    Agreed. I don't want to toot my own horn - LOL, but we have a very long and
    detailed chapter on this in the Upgrade Guide.

    > 14. As noted iManager snapin didn't ship with product.


    It is in download.novell.com under iManager. I think it should be in both
    places myself!

    > 15. Since I don't have this to test, I assume if I had a second server, I'd
    > install GroupWise Server Code again? How would I connect its admin with the
    > first server, Or did I miss that the first time?


    As you've seen in your second post, when you install anywhere not on the same
    server as the primary, you are asked for the primary domain and the admin
    userid/password. So, unless you gave out that willy nilly you'd be safe from
    folks doing silly things like installing a new domain or PO.

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    Danita
    Novell Knowledge Partner
    Upgrading to GroupWise 2014? We've got you covered
    http://www.caledonia.net/store

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  • Miss ya nita!

    A few more comments

    1. No New option for MTAs. How do you recreate if they are deleted? I
    guess there's an assumption there that delete will only be permitted if
    owning domain is gone.

    2. supposedly fancy dancy filters, but no docs for em.

    3. Double about (left and under the settings in upper right) screen is a
    litttle silly?

    4. Oh ok gwadmnutil is where I can change superuser, CA, and some other
    stuff. Good


  • Oh also

    The Create DVA (which is kind of important) is easy to miss, and of
    course the help doesnt really help.

    Oh as for your other comment nita I did skim the install guide like a
    good boy ;) That's why free/busy and mmc stuck out.
  • Oh and guys? Google Chrome Frame is no longer supported as of Jan 2014.
    You shouldn't mention it as an option.
  • Michael Bell wrote:

    > Oh as for your other comment nita I did skim the install guide like a good boy
    > ;) That's why free/busy and mmc stuck out.


    Heehee - good for you - my guess is you are one of the few! Still, it seems to
    me that we're so familiar with how it's "supposed" to work that we find it
    harder.

    Anyway - I got your message - I'll phone you soon :-)

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    Novell Knowledge Partner
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  • Michael Bell wrote:

    > 1. No New option for MTAs. How do you recreate if they are deleted? I guess
    > there's an assumption there that delete will only be permitted if owning
    > domain is gone.


    That's a good point I guess. I didn't actually notice that. I have a domain I
    plan on deleting soon. I'll attempt to delete the MTA before I delete the
    domain to see what it might tell me!

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    Danita
    Novell Knowledge Partner
    Upgrading to GroupWise 2014? We've got you covered
    http://www.caledonia.net/store

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  • Michael Bell wrote:

    > For fun I installed GW 2014 on my Windows 8 box (yes I know, unsupported).
    > Worked fairly well, a few random comments


    By the way, classic Mike ;-)

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    Novell Knowledge Partner
    Upgrading to GroupWise 2014? We've got you covered
    http://www.caledonia.net/store

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  • On 4/6/2014 6:19 PM, DZanre wrote:
    > Michael Bell wrote:
    >
    >> 1. No New option for MTAs. How do you recreate if they are deleted? I guess
    >> there's an assumption there that delete will only be permitted if owning
    >> domain is gone.

    >
    > That's a good point I guess. I didn't actually notice that. I have a domain I
    > plan on deleting soon. I'll attempt to delete the MTA before I delete the
    > domain to see what it might tell me!
    >

    In normal circumstances it wont be an issue, but in weird cases, it will
    annoying ;)