How to Install multiple Post Offices in GW 8?

Hello:

I am at present trying to wrap my head around the structure (logically) of GroupWise (I get it that mailboxes, distribution lists, and resources along with document libraries belong to post offices and many post offices which act as departmental boundaries within a larger unit called a domain that can contain more than one of them along with other objects like MTA, GWIA, etc.) but what I don't quite follow is that the last time I tried to do something that seems logical, it failed pretty hard necessitating a complete ripping out of the GW system.

What I was trying to accomplish is having more than one post office on the same server (which from my limited testing doesn't seem possible).  I was additionally playing around with domains but that got me stuck.  At least the way I understand post offices vs domains is:

  • Post Offices are the containers that can represent a unit of an organization (if we use any large American company you might have POs for Information Technology, Customer Service, Executives, etc.) or if we use a school district I attended post offices might represent school sites (e.g. Kennedy, Mitchel, Chavez, 3rd Street, etc.)
  • Domains are the larger building blocks that represent organizations (e.g. Fremont Unified, Novell, Microsoft, etc.)

This ability to "partition out" my organization into distinct units was one of the "selling points" for me when I decided to pick up GroupWise as a hobby and try to deploy it internally for my various teams.  Well at least my understanding seems to have failed me as I was unable to have multiple post offices and/or domains on the same server.  The reason I thought this might be possible is let's take a school district in a small town with 4 sites and one central office; to save on resources, all sites except the Jr. High send their files back to a server at the central office thus it would make sense to have all sites as Post Offices all residing on the same GroupWise server thus freeing up more budget in the longer term. 

If we take the same small-town school district and acknowledge the high school in the town that for the longest time was it's own separate GroupWise system and let's say that the 4-site district and the high school district merge and become "anytown unified" and since the high school has the more beefy servers a decision is made to centralize all the GroupWise domains and Post offices on one box...yet given what I found out the hard way this is not possible and so our mythical anytown unified would seemingly need to have 6 servers (one for each school's PO one one for the central office PO and one of those could be pulling "Swiss army knife" and be doing WebAccess, calendar publishing, GWIA, etc.)

Is the above scenario and statement accurate with regards to GW 8.0?  If yes, then that was in my opinion a major oversight on Novell's end at the time to water down one of the strengths of GroupWise as opposed to something like MS Exchange.  As to say "throw more money at the ability to partition your org out in the form of dedicated PO servers for each department which we think is something the GW does better than Exchange but it's got this unrealistic expectation that only the largest of enterprises will ever be able to meet"

If the above is not the case with regards to GroupWise 8, I would like to know what is the "proper" way to have multiple domains and/or post offices on the same box?

I have played with all manner of port number settings for the various components, done some toying around with link configuration and gotten no where except being able to send email to an exchange server in my lab and not being able to reply back.  After enough messing about, I finally just broke the whole thing to where nothing would start (all my POs were closed complaining about port conflicts even though I set each and every port setting on every POA and on the MTA and GWIA to unique values).

Thanks for taking the time to read this and I appreciate any help given

Thanks:

Carly G. Fleischmann

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    Carly, why do you play around with outdated GW8?


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    Because that’s what came in the lot of software I bought on eBay or otherwise have acquired over the last  several months plus it’s as close as I think I’ll get in my quest to recreate nostalgia from a very large school system I attended (they were a Novell shop (NetWare, GW of some stripe, ZENworks) well after I left)

    you get the idea

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    Carly G. Fleischmann

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    While running multiple POs per system is doable, it adds enough overhead and complexity that you should be really certain of the need before doing, and having the basics running well under your belt as well, otherwise too much to learn all at once.   So get a single PO system functioning first, and then establish Your Use case for adding more.

    Sometimes separate IPs/volumes/vms are the easier way.

    Restoring old cars and pinball machines are certainly a thing, with their own communities, but enough of IT is stuck on the "Latest is (wishfully so) the Greatest".  So, as such, there are just the 'old' timers who might remember things.  I don't have any clients with GroupWise that old, but do still have a couple with the last bits of NetWare hanging on that keeps those bits on the fresh side.  At least GroupWise hasn't had any huge architectural changes along the way (they hit a good point by v5.2), so hopefully we can give you some guidance.

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    I still see a very few customers on GW8 in my environment See no evil...

    Yes, it is possible to run more than one domain/post office on one machine. As Andy suggested - separate IPs are smarter. However if your POAs or/and MTAs are complaining about your port settings then start a top down rebuild. This will fix it I assume.

    If you bought GW8 via eBay then search for GroupWise (8+/-) Administration Guides too. It will fit to your nostalgia environment. I return to Andy's reply - a lot of explanations and hints will work for current versions of GroupWise too.


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    Honestly, this whole thing originally started out as just a project in some VM‘s on my laptop to re-create that nostalgia from that very large school district from my childhood, and then as I started playing more with it and taking the training, I was doing more seriously, I saw some of the strengths and said “let me deploy this on my private network for my support team to use to help support my medical needs… “ And then that’s how it all came to be. 

    to add insult to injury, the particular lot of old software that I happened to have gotten a hold of doesn’t even have the support pack three for  GW8   I have found a couple of used cases for the multiple PO, and I would be willing to take the risk because to me at least given the possible for reward in my implementation, I think that it’s a learning opportunity to pull this stunt off

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    Carly G. Fleischmann

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    Well,

    I think we can arrange the right support pack for you. Here is a small overview ...

    I think I am not the only one ... Innocent


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    Yes, at some point I desperately need to get a hold of all the support packs and hot fixes as I only have group wise 8.0 with no patches whatsoever. And I would like all the updates. I could get my hands on if you know what I mean. Gotta archive it all. :-)  

    Thanks:

    Carly G. Fleischmann

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    I have been doing GroupWise since version 4.0a when it was named WordPerfect Office back then.  All the versions of GroupWise from 2012 and older are more complicated to install, from my experience, due to the requirement to have eDirectory and ConsoleOne to make it work.  Are you willing to upgrade or start new with todays GroupWise versions of 23.4 or 24.2?  You can upgrade direct from GroupWise 8.x to 24.2.0 in one upgrade step.  I can help you with that upgrade.  Todays versions of GroupWise are much easier to install and ConsoleOne is replaced with a very nice GroupWise Administration Console (gwadminservice) that is a web browser based UI.

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    The downside of the newer versions (I think 18+) is to be paying for maintenance to do the sort of fiddling being played with.

    eDir and (especially) ConsoleOne aren't that much trouble.

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    I am going to be honest for me, going beyond what is known and consistent. has to be done in a very tightly controlled and medically approved manner. All of my systems are specifically designed with medical team approval. And two upgrade requires that it has to work with my existing systems meeting windows server, 2003 and, the change has to be again very tightly rolled out in such way that it will not create issues for my day-to-day operations. Thankfully, I have two systems going. One that is a copy of the production system for testing and messing about with that allows me to learn new skills and also the production system

    Thanks:

    Carly G. Fleischmann

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