mcslemon Absent Member.
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Multiple Bundles Deploying

Hi,

We're experiencing a very strange issue in 1 of our classrooms that we're not seeing anywhere else. Normally, when deploying bundles, they come down one at a time in an orderly fashion.. In this lab, they seem to come down all at once, conflicting with each other and causing all manner of chaos.

This lab happens to run Macs and uses Windows / Zen via Boot Camp; I can't see how this difference would have an effect so I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this issue before? All the other labs are various flavours of hardware running Windows 7.

Any thoughts?

Neil.
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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

There's really only one way to control bundle order in ZCM 10/11.

Unfortunately it can have some unwanted side-effects.

Basically you will make a bundle that launches other bundles. Then they'll run in the order listed.

The possible unwanted side-effect is that the "parent bundle" associations (relationships) get passed along to the child bundles.

So unless you always want to deploy all your bundles to all your users and devices at the same time, you have to choose between having bundles run at the same time (and thus you get errors/conflicts) or deploying ALL the bundles to ALL your users/devices at once (which can also cause problems if something goes wrong).
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mcslemon Absent Member.
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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

Thanks for the info but I think you may have missed the point..

In every other area (all PC based Windows 7 - probably about 800 machines in total) plus various satellite areas, the bundles run asynchronously, nice and ordered,without any intervention from me; all I've done is related them to a particular account or device group and then Zen runs through them.

In 1 area (Mac based with Windows 7 running from Boot Camp) the bundles, for whatever reason, are coming down synchronously, so conflicting with each other as they compete for Windows Installer time. I was just curious to know if anyone had experienced this before? Just thought it was a bit coincidental that the area this happened on happened to be a Mac based build.
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Oh sorry. I wouldn't think it should matter whether the OS is virtualized or not, although I'm surprised that your bundles deploy in order, one at a time, without having to create a bundle group.

Most of the other NKP are out for this week and next, (Brainshare), so it may be a tad longer if someone knows the answer to get back to you.
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mcslemon Absent Member.
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Actually I see what you mean about grouping, sorry! Looking at the device assigned bundles and user assigned bundles, they do appear to form a group with an order (not that I've ever seen it follow that precise order!) which is probably why they do go one at a time. However, it doesn't explain the one rogue area! Odd.
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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

Hi,
had one customer with win7sp1 which experience the same problem. But it did not happen all the time. So if we image a pc new it might happen or not. So this is really strange and annoying. When it happens most of the installation fail.

Michael Koeppl Germany
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We also get this "bug" from time to time. For example in a computer lab the bundle for Adobe CS5.5 Production Premium will begin the download process. Then in the middle of the download the same computer will also launch another bundle like Autodesk ECS 2012 at the same time. So far we haven't found out the why nor the how. So it would be great to find out why this happen and then how to fix this. Otherwise we end up sometimes having to reimage some computers entirely.

Guillaume
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I too would like to know if there is a solution. We are upgrading to 11.2.1 and when I logged into a machine that had 50 bundles associated, it seemed that the install order ran great for the first 4 bundles, then all hell broke loose and 7-10 bundles started downloading and installing at the same time causing some bundles to fail because they could not install at the same time as other installations. I have an SR open for this however the response was to make a master bundle with launch actions set to install all of the bundles with some waits in between. That is not a solution because I cannot have 900 "master" bundles for every user that we have since not all of our users have the exact same bundles associated to them.
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jfountaine;2209344 wrote:
I too would like to know if there is a solution. We are upgrading to 11.2.1 and when I logged into a machine that had 50 bundles associated, it seemed that the install order ran great for the first 4 bundles, then all hell broke loose and 7-10 bundles started downloading and installing at the same time causing some bundles to fail because they could not install at the same time as other installations. I have an SR open for this however the response was to make a master bundle with launch actions set to install all of the bundles with some waits in between. That is not a solution because I cannot have 900 "master" bundles for every user that we have since not all of our users have the exact same bundles associated to them.


If you have 11.2.1, the readme indicates they added a "bundle order" feature which should resolve this. Similar to the old ZFD "force run order" and "wait on force run" boxes.

Otherwise yes, you'd have to make a master bundle and it's a royal PITA, however you would not have to make 900 diff. bundles. Just do it a different way than what the technician described (that's what I did).

But with 11.2.1 you shouldn't have to do this anymore.
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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

Bundle Ordering would not help.
That controls the Order, but would not limit it to one bundle at a time.

To Limit the number of bundles going out, you need to configure the
bundles to wait for one bundle to complete before the next starts.



On 7/27/2012 2:06 PM, kjhurni wrote:
>
> jfountaine;2209344 Wrote:
>> I too would like to know if there is a solution. We are upgrading to
>> 11.2.1 and when I logged into a machine that had 50 bundles associated,
>> it seemed that the install order ran great for the first 4 bundles, then
>> all hell broke loose and 7-10 bundles started downloading and installing
>> at the same time causing some bundles to fail because they could not
>> install at the same time as other installations. I have an SR open for
>> this however the response was to make a master bundle with launch
>> actions set to install all of the bundles with some waits in between.
>> That is not a solution because I cannot have 900 "master" bundles for
>> every user that we have since not all of our users have the exact same
>> bundles associated to them.

>
> If you have 11.2.1, the readme indicates they added a "bundle order"
> feature which should resolve this. Similar to the old ZFD "force run
> order" and "wait on force run" boxes.
>
> Otherwise yes, you'd have to make a master bundle and it's a royal
> PITA, however you would not have to make 900 diff. bundles. Just do it
> a different way than what the technician described (that's what I did).
>
> But with 11.2.1 you shouldn't have to do this anymore.
>
>



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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

craig wilson wrote:

> Bundle Ordering would not help.
> That controls the Order, but would not limit it to one bundle at a
> time.
>
> To Limit the number of bundles going out, you need to configure the
> bundles to wait for one bundle to complete before the next starts.
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2012 2:06 PM, kjhurni wrote:
> >
> > jfountaine;2209344 Wrote:
> > > I too would like to know if there is a solution. We are
> > > upgrading to 11.2.1 and when I logged into a machine that had 50
> > > bundles associated, it seemed that the install order ran great
> > > for the first 4 bundles, then all hell broke loose and 7-10
> > > bundles started downloading and installing at the same time
> > > causing some bundles to fail because they could not install at
> > > the same time as other installations. I have an SR open for this
> > > however the response was to make a master bundle with launch
> > > actions set to install all of the bundles with some waits in
> > > between. That is not a solution because I cannot have 900
> > > "master" bundles for every user that we have since not all of our
> > > users have the exact same bundles associated to them.

> >
> > If you have 11.2.1, the readme indicates they added a "bundle order"
> > feature which should resolve this. Similar to the old ZFD "force
> > run order" and "wait on force run" boxes.
> >
> > Otherwise yes, you'd have to make a master bundle and it's a royal
> > PITA, however you would not have to make 900 diff. bundles. Just
> > do it a different way than what the technician described (that's
> > what I did).
> >
> > But with 11.2.1 you shouldn't have to do this anymore.
> >
> >


So the feature in 11.2.1 is not the same as the one we had in ZDM?

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shaunpond Absent Member.
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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

Craig,

> That controls the Order, but would not limit it to one bundle at a time.


not strictly true I think - http://www.novell.com/documentation/zenworks11/zen11_cm_software_distribution/data/bs8caks.html#b10n55s0
bundle order does include wait for previous bundle, doesn't it?

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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

Shaun Pond <spond@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:
> Craig,
>
>> That controls the Order, but would not limit it to one bundle at a time.

>
> not strictly true I think -
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/zenworks11/zen11_cm_software_distribution/data/bs8caks.html#b10n55s0
> bundle order does include wait for previous bundle, doesn't it?


That's what I thought...

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Re: Multiple Bundles Deploying

On 7/30/2012 9:24 AM, Shaun Pond wrote:
> Craig,
>
>> That controls the Order, but would not limit it to one bundle at a time.

>
> not strictly true I think - http://www.novell.com/documentation/zenworks11/zen11_cm_software_distribution/data/bs8caks.html#b10n55s0
> bundle order does include wait for previous bundle, doesn't it?
>


Depends on how the actions are configured.


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Craig,

well duh 🙂

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