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License of SDK generated packages


Are there any plans to change the license for custom collectors
generated with the SDK to allow for public sharing?

Looking at other tools such a Splunk they have a very open user
community, but this line in the license really does not look like Novell
is interested in Sentinel getting much community involvment. I guess
that is good for professional services and partners with a special
license, but not so great for smaller users who might be more interested
in helping each other by sharing collectors.


Code:
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"License to Create Permitted Derivative Works. Solely as provided in the documentation, Novell hereby grants You a nonexclusive and nontransferable license to use the Novell Collector Builder to create custom Collectors for Your internal use (“Permitted Derivative Works”). The Permitted Derivative Works may be used solely in conjunction with the Software and for no other purpose."
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Does NetIQ have any plans to change this, or is there a new EULA
someplace that changes this?


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Re: License of SDK generated packages

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Do you have a link to that text? I'm a bit surprised by it, though it
may be worth mentioning that this reference does not (perhaps by
accident?) apply to the SDK. The Collector Builder (unless defined
other places to refer to the SDK and its creations) was a proprietary
piece of, well, software that created the legacy collectors written in a
different language. The tool only came with Sentinel, and the code
required to run those collectors was from a third party (and is no
longer shipped with new installs of Log Manager 1.2+ or any install of
Sentinel 7) so I think that does not apply.

Still, if you can get me a link I can try to check on this too. The
link I found from
http://www.novell.com/developer/develop_to_sentinel.html pointed to
http://www.novell.com/developer/novell_developer_license_agreement.html,
but perhaps there is another that applies as well which you found.

Good luck.
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Re: License of SDK generated packages


ab;2170732 Wrote:
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>
> Do you have a link to that text? I'm a bit surprised by it, though it
> may be worth mentioning that this reference does not (perhaps by
> accident?) apply to the SDK. The Collector Builder (unless defined
> other places to refer to the SDK and its creations) was a proprietary
> piece of, well, software that created the legacy collectors written in
> a
> different language. The tool only came with Sentinel, and the code
> required to run those collectors was from a third party (and is no
> longer shipped with new installs of Log Manager 1.2+ or any install of
> Sentinel 7) so I think that does not apply.
>
> Still, if you can get me a link I can try to check on this too. The
> link I found from
> 'Develop to Sentinel'
> (http://www.novell.com/developer/develop_to_sentinel.html) pointed to
> 'Novell Developer License Agreement'
> (http://www.novell.com/developer/novell_developer_license_agreement.html),
> but perhaps there is another that applies as well which you found.
>
> Good luck.
> -


It is in the EULA folder in collectors (the new 2011 versions I looked
in the apache one), I was not able to find much else in the way of
license info. The novell developer license looks better, but I was
looking at the one most focused on Sentinel. I agree, the old
collector builder is another product but it was not 100% clear if only
collectors built with that could not be shared.


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Re: License of SDK generated packages


Cameron,

It is ABSOLUTELY NetIQ's intention to foster an active plug-in
development community around Sentinel. I think the terms-of-use that you
found really should not apply, and the one that should apply to
community-developed content is the Novell Developer License Agreement.
I'll get confirmation on that and make sure we have the right one
published into the SDK.

You should know that coming Very Soon is a major change to the SDK that
will make all of this more obvious. This will involve an external,
public SVN repository, a new Eclipse plug-in, and a lot of re-factoring
of the existing build processes to allow us to "overlay" the special
internal stuff that we do (such as embedding the Sentinel EULA into our
own plug-ins) even when building against the public SDK. We've actually
had a "partner" repository for a while now, but access was somewhat
restricted. We'll look into releasing some of that content into the
public repository (unsupported, of course) in case people find it
useful.


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Re: License of SDK generated packages


DCorlette;2172530 Wrote:
> Cameron,
>
> It is ABSOLUTELY NetIQ's intention to foster an active plug-in
> development community around Sentinel. I think the terms-of-use that you
> found really should not apply, and the one that should apply to
> community-developed content is the Novell Developer License Agreement.
> I'll get confirmation on that and make sure we have the right one
> published into the SDK.
>
> You should know that coming Very Soon is a major change to the SDK that
> will make all of this more obvious. This will involve an external,
> public SVN repository, a new Eclipse plug-in, and a lot of re-factoring
> of the existing build processes to allow us to "overlay" the special
> internal stuff that we do (such as embedding the Sentinel EULA into our
> own plug-ins) even when building against the public SDK. We've actually
> had a "partner" repository for a while now, but access was somewhat
> restricted. We'll look into releasing some of that content into the
> public repository (unsupported, of course) in case people find it
> useful.


Thank you for the clarification. This new SDK sounds like it is as
big of an update as 6.1 to 7.0 Sentinel. This is a pretty exciting time
for Sentinel right now, and my hope is when I tell a vendor I use Novell
as my SIEM/Log manager they don’t ask why I am using Netware still. For
now, I just tell them I use NetIQ. 🙂

With everything you have commented on, the API, the SDK and everything
I have been using in 7, it is a positive change.

I need to go on vacation and come back when "Very soon" is over 😉


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