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Fully featured Mac desktop client

Idea ID 2781319

Fully featured Mac desktop client

Whilst there are plans to allow native Mac apps to talk to GroupWise for email, contacts, calendar, etc. we still need a fully featured Mac desktop client to replace the one that hasn't been developed since GroupWise 8!
163 Comments
Commodore
Commodore
They will never build a stand-alone GW-Client for a Mac ... But it is possible to use the new GW-Web (18.2) to get a Web-Mail frontend which a look nearly like the GW-Client. But it is Browser based. An other solutions is to configure SMTP/IMAP at the GWIA and the CalDAV/CardDAV service to support the native Mac-Programms for Mail, Calender and Addressbook. This solution is a little bit tricky because Apple `tune` there apps sometimes 😕
Vice Admiral
Vice Admiral
We need a fully featured Mac desktop client. That's a fact. Everybody knows that. The only way to give the product management resources development is to vote for this idea. Please get others to vote for this.
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We need a Native GW Mac client, last minute to do this.
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Yes a new Mac client for Groupwise would our users love
Cadet 1st Class
Cadet 1st Class
Well in the past year, Windows has gone from 75% market share to 72% Apple now at 17%; Android at 11% So when do you figure - will Apple / Mac be at 50%? Realistically - the browser is the future - exe’s are wonderful ... but logic from a development standpoint dictates a universal platform - and what’s that - HTML. So - cry and scream and hope and wish... but hasn’t the die been cast for a while now?
Cadet 1st Class
Cadet 1st Class
Oh and by the way, we really really actually do want a Mac GW client !
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I'm getting the picture that this might take a very long time or maybe not even happen...?
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Okay ... 299 votes sofar. That's a lot of votes one would say. What has happened sofar at MF? They build a new webaccess GUI, which is a good start and looking better that the old one. Is it complete yet .. no .. but it's a good start. Did they improve the desktop GUI so it's more of this day and age? No. Will they create a fully featured Mac desktop client? No. Why would they do that when they created the native access system. We have a couple of users in our company using this on their Macs and they are very happy with it sofar. A few months ago I attended a GroupWise webinar where they were showcasting the new GroupWise client. They were so happy with all the updates they did and I heared about a dozen times 'end users are going to love it!'. Really !!?? Are end users loving it? No, they are not. Sorry, but really, they are not! On the Q&A section I mentioined this idea and asked for their opinion about it. Yeah, they had a look at it and that was about it. They mentioned the native access client and moved on. Over 250 votes back then ... and they moved on. So ... are they really listening you would wonder?! I have to agree with the comment from Tim W. The browser is the future! All company are moving away from the desktop apps towards online apps. What does GroupWise need? A partnership with another eco system! If it wants to stay alive, it really needs to partner with an open source solution that is growing right now by the minute! A system like NextCloud. NextCloud is growing really fast and users are loving it. However, it lacks a mailing (or groupware) system. Again ... 299 votes and did we reach a solution sofar? No (apart from the new webaccess GUI and the Native Access solution). You really want to change things around? Maybe this idea (allthough 299 votes sofar) is dying too ... There are a couple of new ideas out there. Ideas for better partnerships with other solutions. Ideas like these: https://ideas.microfocus.com/MFI/mf-gw/Idea/Detail/15259 https://www1.v1ideas.com/MFI/mf-gw/Idea/Detail/15260 These ideas are new, fresh and looking for support. My suggestion; vote for these ideas and turn MF's attention to them. Hopefully something good will come from it and MF will finally see that something needs to change in order to keep GroupWise alive!!
Vice Admiral
Vice Admiral
THIS IDEA HAS BEEN MOVED OVER TO THE NEW IDEA SYSTEM, PLEASE MAKE YOUR VOTE THERE AGAIN IF YOU ARE STILL INTERESTED IN THIS SOLUTION, THX! https://community.microfocus.com/t5/GroupWise-Idea-Exchange/Fully-featured-Mac-desktop-client/idi-p/2703104
Vice Admiral
Vice Admiral
While we're on it: after carefull consideration I believe it's not a viable idea to create a cross-platform GroupWise client based on the current Windows client codebase and (visual) concept. A new GroupWise-client to succeed it should imo be part of an ecosystem, so for those interested the new idea portal link is here to vote on. Added concept description here too. https://community.microfocus.com/t5/GroupWise-Idea-Exchange/Why-it-makes-sense-for-GroupWise-to-build-a-new-client-as-part/idi-p/2743232 In this competitive world of email systems the one that owns the ecosystem owns the users. Obviously moving to Exchange/O365 (or Google systems for that matter) makes sense if you are a Microsoft Office dependant company as of course Outlook is an integrated part of that system. As the GroupWise client is not only visually but also from an integrations standpoint lacking in such ecosystem, moving to Exchange means moving off from any MF solution. In closed systems there is near no room left for competitors, nor for choise. As there are a lot of (hosted/onprem) email solutions to choose from, how can GroupWise stay relevant? GroupWise would need an Office-like ecosystem around in which an end user feels comfortable. LibreOffice can provide such and could brings a rich MS Office/Google like expirience once settled. Once we get over the idea to leave the current GroupWise Windows client for what it is and start over based on a framework of a well established (Libre)Office suite I believe this brings what it takes to get GroupWise back as an alternative for current competitors. Sure others could and would provit too from such developments, but having something to choose from does also benfit GroupWise and the Enterprise Messaging Suite (EMS) it's part of. It's obvious LibreOffice is and open source project, so there has to be worked with that community to get this done. The Office part is the most important piece missing in GroupWise and the EMS, but as we already started integrating LibreOffice Online by adding the Secure Content Editor Appliance (which is provided by Collabora Online(COOL)) to TeamWorks and Filr so the first pieces are already there. As LibreOffice is running on Mac/Win/Lin that would secure a cross platform client solution for the long term and honoring the higest voted requests for non-Windows support; https://community.microfocus.com/t5/GroupWise-Idea-Exchange/Fully-featured-Mac-desktop-client/idi-p/2703104 https://community.microfocus.com/t5/GroupWise-Idea-Exchange/Fully-featured-Linux-desktop-client/idi-p/2703105 Trackback to the old idea portal where either scored ~300 and ~250 votes https://www1.v1ideas.com/MFI/mf-gw/Idea/Detail/320 https://www1.v1ideas.com/MFI/mf-gw/Idea/Detail/321 Tough on short term it would take quite some time to develop, I would expect long term that get's less as with LibreOffice more developing partners will maintain the new code at least making sure that what is there is stable and well tested by a huge community. This stable base should be good enough to create enterprise supported clients from for Micro Focus to distribute as part of their GroupWise and EMS solution. As mentioned the COOL solution is already a partnership currently, so could the new client be a part in their long term supported Collabora Office for governments and companies. In the EMS this would complement working off- and online, on any device and leveraging open standards. This collaboration eco-system can be managed by ZENworks and secured by NetIQ solutions which gives MF a way to provide a full ecosystem again. So, how would this work: * Start with a new module in LibreOffice called "Contact", complementing Writer/Calc/Impress/etc. Contact-management is the centerpiece of a solution (opinion), this allows accessing, syncing and managing contact information which then can be used in any module for sharing, communication/interacting and as a part of document merges. In the LO Online version the Contact-API allows you to access your contacts from within any module so you can do document merges easily in Online-mode too. * The Contact module has multiple tab's allowing access to email, calendar, tasks, notes, message(r)s, etc. This is the part that is not much different from what we are used to in the GroupWise Client today. This is the part that is all open source and for that could be used to add multiple tab's of each to be able to access multiple systems at the same time, which could be multiple GroupWise mailboxes or any POP/IMAP or online accounts a user has, well depending on modules privides by Micro Focus and other developing partners and/or the community. Depending how the plugin-infra is setup MF could obviously choose to create closed plugin's and leave other (IMAP, NNTP etc) plugin's up to the community, but my idea is to have a more open and common infra for email, calendar, task which supports the end-users common expirience that will offer. Tough open source plugins could still offer a calendar for like GroupWise which has multi user options embedded and a more simple calendar plug for other purposes. Having a more open infra allows for expermiments by the community. * The Contact module's core should have a plugin that carries the hart of access to GroupWise (GroupWise client protocol) and should run on any platform. Depending on how it's developed it could be either open or closed source, think we prefer to open it up so it can be build as part of the solution, or only as part of the MF provided binaries. Maybe something with on- and offine mode needs to be part of this in case we want offine mode to be a part of the GroupWise access plugin. From a cross platform perspective I would suggest to leverage the default LO Database, but that could also be GroupWise's (wasn't that use dby eDirectory today and open sourced a while back? It at least runs on all targetted platforms). * We need a plugin infra for 3th parties so they can ty into the solution, but this could also be leveraged for Micro Focus provided solutions like Vibe/Filr/Retain/SMG etc plugin's. There's a host of 3th parties providing language correction solutions, access to CRM's, etc. This may not be all, but at least the centerpiece of the idea.
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