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2012 Primary / 8 secondary

Hello: Looking at what it will take to upgrade to GW 2012. The biggest obstacle I face is that we will be keeping our Netware 6.5 server running BorderManager. This same server also hosts a secondary domain containing are GWIA gateway. All other GW pieces live of OES2 sp3 servers in our primary domain.

So what I need to determine is: Can I upgrade our Primary domain (postoffices, mta, webaccess) while leaving the secondary domain alone, and will the primary domain still work with the mta and gwia on the Netware server? Anyone do this? What gotchas may pop up?

Thanks, Chris.
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darkwingemm1 Absent Member.
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Re: 2012 Primary / 8 secondary

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your last question but did you say that you want to run a GW2012 domain with a GW8 MTA?....That's asking for soo many problems. Keep in mind that the MTA is in charge of running the domain, and you don't want to run a newer domain with older code. I wouldn't even try that, not recommended, and not supported.

If you don't want to upgrade the GWIA, move it off to another domain. You need to have the primary domain/MTA on GW2012 and on Linux or Windows 2008 at a minimum. With a primary dom/mta on linux at 2012, you can have a secondary dom/mta with GWIA on GW8 and on Netware. If you leave any POs at GW8, you will need to have a seperate webaccess for them as GW8 POs will not be able to access 2012. GWIA and GW clients should be the last to upgrade. You can have two WebAccess servers, one for GW8 and one for GW2012 POs.
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darkwingemm;2186488 wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your last question but did you say that you want to run a GW2012 domain with a GW8 MTA?....That's asking for soo many problems. Keep in mind that the MTA is in charge of running the domain, and you don't want to run a newer domain with older code. I wouldn't even try that, not recommended, and not supported.

If you don't want to upgrade the GWIA, move it off to another domain. You need to have the primary domain/MTA on GW2012 and on Linux or Windows 2008 at a minimum. With a primary dom/mta on linux at 2012, you can have a secondary dom/mta with GWIA on GW8 and on Netware. If you leave any POs at GW8, you will need to have a seperate webaccess for them as GW8 POs will not be able to access 2012. GWIA and GW clients should be the last to upgrade. You can have two WebAccess servers, one for GW8 and one for GW2012 POs.


That would create a "Frankenstein" nightmare to manage if they are using mobile devices and PDA's.
It would be better to persuade the "power that be" to an all out upgrade scenario.

Leroy Joseph
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warper2 Outstanding Contributor.
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leroyjjr wrote:

>
> darkwingemm;2186488 Wrote:
>> Maybe I'm misunderstanding your last question but did you say that you
>> want to run a GW2012 domain with a GW8 MTA?....That's asking for soo
>> many problems. Keep in mind that the MTA is in charge of running the
>> domain, and you don't want to run a newer domain with older code. I
>> wouldn't even try that, not recommended, and not supported.
>>
>> If you don't want to upgrade the GWIA, move it off to another domain.
>> You need to have the primary domain/MTA on GW2012 and on Linux or
>> Windows 2008 at a minimum. With a primary dom/mta on linux at 2012, you
>> can have a secondary dom/mta with GWIA on GW8 and on Netware. If you
>> leave any POs at GW8, you will need to have a seperate webaccess for
>> them as GW8 POs will not be able to access 2012. GWIA and GW clients
>> should be the last to upgrade. You can have two WebAccess servers, one
>> for GW8 and one for GW2012 POs.

>
> That would create a "Frankenstein" nightmare to manage if they are
> using mobile devices and PDA's.
> It would be better to persuade the "power that be" to an all out
> upgrade scenario.
>
> Leroy Joseph
> Visual Click Software
> 'eDirectory Management and Reporting | DSRAZOR for eDirectory'
> (http://www.visualclick.com/content/dsrazor-for-edirectory.htm)
>
>


Actually it should work fine as long as the mta/gwia are in their own
domain. It really should be manageable ok I would think. This is just my
opinion so please don't take it as a fact.
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Chris Mosentine Super Contributor.
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Re: 2012 Primary / 8 secondary

darkwingemm;2186488 wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your last question but did you say that you want to run a GW2012 domain with a GW8 MTA?....That's asking for soo many problems. Keep in mind that the MTA is in charge of running the domain, and you don't want to run a newer domain with older code. I wouldn't even try that, not recommended, and not supported.

If you don't want to upgrade the GWIA, move it off to another domain. You need to have the primary domain/MTA on GW2012 and on Linux or Windows 2008 at a minimum. With a primary dom/mta on linux at 2012, you can have a secondary dom/mta with GWIA on GW8 and on Netware. If you leave any POs at GW8, you will need to have a seperate webaccess for them as GW8 POs will not be able to access 2012. GWIA and GW clients should be the last to upgrade. You can have two WebAccess servers, one for GW8 and one for GW2012 POs.


Not exactly. And my apologizes if I was not clear. We have two domains, the primary with its associated MTA running on OES2, and a secondary running on NW 6.5 (bordermanager) with its own MTA and GWIA. Since GW 2012 does not support NW 6.5 I cannot upgrade our secondary domain therefore leaving it as GW 8. So in the end I will have our primary domain running GW2012 (domain, postoffices, poas, webaccess, mta) and our secondary domain running GW8 (domain, gwia, mta).
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jmarton2 Absent Member.
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cmosentine wrote:

> Not exactly. And my apologizes if I was not clear. We have two
> domains, the primary with its associated MTA running on OES2, and a
> secondary running on NW 6.5 (bordermanager) with its own MTA and
> GWIA. Since GW 2012 does not support NW 6.5 I cannot upgrade our
> secondary domain therefore leaving it as GW 8. So in the end I will
> have our primary domain running GW2012 (domain, postoffices, poas,
> webaccess, mta) and our secondary domain running GW8 (domain, gwia,
> mta).


Upgrading only the primary and the the associated POs & gateways while
leaving the secondary on the NW box alone shouldn't be a problem. Just
keep in mind that if you have users who access their accounts using
POP/IMAP via GWIA that they won't be able to do this any longer after
you upgrade the PO to 2012. This goes back to the old "can't use a
newer client against an older PO" situation.

Eventually you'll want to get the secondary off of the BorderManager
server and on to another box so that all domains and gateways are 2012.
Perhaps virtualization is an option so that you can minimize hardware?

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jmarton;2186604 wrote:
cmosentine wrote:

> Not exactly. And my apologizes if I was not clear. We have two
> domains, the primary with its associated MTA running on OES2, and a
> secondary running on NW 6.5 (bordermanager) with its own MTA and
> GWIA. Since GW 2012 does not support NW 6.5 I cannot upgrade our
> secondary domain therefore leaving it as GW 8. So in the end I will
> have our primary domain running GW2012 (domain, postoffices, poas,
> webaccess, mta) and our secondary domain running GW8 (domain, gwia,
> mta).


Upgrading only the primary and the the associated POs & gateways while
leaving the secondary on the NW box alone shouldn't be a problem. Just
keep in mind that if you have users who access their accounts using
POP/IMAP via GWIA that they won't be able to do this any longer after
you upgrade the PO to 2012. This goes back to the old "can't use a
newer client against an older PO" situation.

Eventually you'll want to get the secondary off of the BorderManager
server and on to another box so that all domains and gateways are 2012.
Perhaps virtualization is an option so that you can minimize hardware?

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Enhancement Requests: http://www.novell.com/rms


Thanks, for the insight!

Leroy Joseph
Visual Click Software
eDirectory Management and Reporting | DSRAZOR for eDirectory
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jmarton;2186604 wrote:
Upgrading only the primary and the the associated POs & gateways while
leaving the secondary on the NW box alone shouldn't be a problem. Just
keep in mind that if you have users who access their accounts using
POP/IMAP via GWIA that they won't be able to do this any longer after
you upgrade the PO to 2012. This goes back to the old "can't use a
newer client against an older PO" situation.

Yes but it's perfectly possible to run a GW8 WebAccess in the secondary domain and configure a redirection URL in your default GW2012 webaccess so that users that are not on GW2012 yet will still be able to use webaccess.
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To Joseph Marton

>users who access their accounts using
>POP/IMAP via GWIA that they won't be able to do this any longer after
>you upgrade the PO to 2012. This goes back to the old "can't use a
>newer client against an older PO" situation.


But the client in that case would be the GWIA, which is an *older* client
than the post office, so it should work, shouldn't it ?

Cheers Dave


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jmarton2 Absent Member.
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Dave Parkes wrote:

> To Joseph Marton
>
> > users who access their accounts using
> > POP/IMAP via GWIA that they won't be able to do this any longer
> > after you upgrade the PO to 2012. This goes back to the old "can't
> > use a newer client against an older PO" situation.

>
> But the client in that case would be the GWIA, which is an older
> client than the post office, so it should work, shouldn't it ?


Oh crud... you're right. I was thinking of where the GWIA is updated
to 2012 while there's still a GW8 PO.

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Yep, I especially liked the way you specifically said upgrade the *PO*
though. No point in trying to half confuse yourself <g>

Or should that be - Thanks for the insight

Your ad could be here

Cheers Dave


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Dave Parkes wrote:

> Or should that be - Thanks for the insight
>
> Your ad could be here


LOL

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On 01.04.2012 19:46, Dave Parkes wrote:
> Yep, I especially liked the way you specifically said upgrade the *PO*
> though. No point in trying to half confuse yourself <g>
>
> Or should that be - Thanks for the insight
>
> Your ad could be here


LOL! 😉

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Re: 2012 Primary / 8 secondary

Thanks (and to all) for replying to this thread. I really want to get GWIA moved off of the BorderManager server (and dumping the secondary domain) so that I can simply upgrade everything to 2012. My problem is I have not been successful in getting BM to work properly with GWIA running on an internal server. I have gone through Craig Johnson's excellent PDFs on the subject but can't get it working. If anyone has experience doing this, let chime in.

Again, Thanks to all for the help.


>>> Joseph Marton<jmarton@no-mx.forums.novell.com> 3/31/2012 9:21 AM >>>

cmosentine wrote:


> Not exactly. And my apologizes if I was not clear. We have two
> domains, the primary with its associated MTA running on OES2, and a
> secondary running on NW 6.5 (bordermanager) with its own MTA and
> GWIA. Since GW 2012 does not support NW 6.5 I cannot upgrade our
> secondary domain therefore leaving it as GW 8. So in the end I will
> have our primary domain running GW2012 (domain, postoffices, poas,
> webaccess, mta) and our secondary domain running GW8 (domain, gwia,
> mta).


Upgrading only the primary and the the associated POs & gateways while
leaving the secondary on the NW box alone shouldn't be a problem. Just
keep in mind that if you have users who access their accounts using
POP/IMAP via GWIA that they won't be able to do this any longer after
you upgrade the PO to 2012. This goes back to the old "can't use a
newer client against an older PO" situation.

Eventually you'll want to get the secondary off of the BorderManager
server and on to another box so that all domains and gateways are 2012.
Perhaps virtualization is an option so that you can minimize hardware?

--
We're your Novell--again. http://www.novell.com/promo/backtobasics.html
Enhancement Requests: http://www.novell.com/rms
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: 2012 Primary / 8 secondary

The way I handle it with BM in the mix is just set up an SMTP filter and
then use NAT to redirect the addresses. See TID 10012130, under the
archived section of the Knowledgebase

There's also TID 10023303 which can also be found under the Archived
section of the Knowledgebase if you want to keep trying the mail proxy

Cheers Dave

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