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Blank passwords not allowed?

I am in a small (5 person office). Many (all) of the users do not have
passwords to login to Netware. I am trying to install messenger on our
system but it does not seem to allow users to login if they do not have a
password. Is it possible to login to messenger if your password is set to
blank? If so, is there any workaround?


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Re: Blank passwords not allowed?

Yecch I hope not.

Sorry, but even with 5 people, that's awful practice.

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"Trey Thrasher" <TreyNoSpamThrasher@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am in a small (5 person office). Many (all) of the users do not have
> passwords to login to Netware. I am trying to install messenger on our
> system but it does not seem to allow users to login if they do not have a
> password. Is it possible to login to messenger if your password is set to
> blank? If so, is there any workaround?
>
>



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Re: Blank passwords not allowed?

I do not think that I understand the need for a password in our office. All
persons in the office have basically full access to everything (the only
limitations that I place on them is the non-adminstrator/supervisers that do
not need access to system files are restricted from them and that is only to
prevent accidental deletions etc). Internal security is not a problem.
What could be a problem is someone forgetting their password. Having to
enter a password seems like an unnecessary burden. I have a password on my
computer but that is only because I am set-up for remote computing. Is
there something that I am missing?


"Michael Bell" <mikebellno90spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:TwGfc.485$K87.64@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> Yecch I hope not.
>
> Sorry, but even with 5 people, that's awful practice.
>
> --
> Michael J. Bell
> Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop
> Author of Guinevere (http://www.openhandhome.com)
>
> PLEASE: Do not e-mail me privately unless specifically asked.
> I'm a volunteer, not a Novell employee!
>
> All opinions and advice provided are MINE alone and NOT Novell's unless
> specifically identified as such.
>
> Novell does not officially monitor these forums.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> "You've got a way to keep me on your side/You give me cause
> for love that I can't hide/For you I know I'd even try to
> turn the tide/Because you're mine, I walk the line"
>
> Johnny Cash (RIP)
>
> "Trey Thrasher" <TreyNoSpamThrasher@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:PqDfc.326$K87.284@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> > I am in a small (5 person office). Many (all) of the users do not have
> > passwords to login to Netware. I am trying to install messenger on our
> > system but it does not seem to allow users to login if they do not have

a
> > password. Is it possible to login to messenger if your password is set

to
> > blank? If so, is there any workaround?
> >
> >

>
>



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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Blank passwords not allowed?

Try using a BIND authentication. You'll have to configure it in the startup.ma file. If you cycle over to the agent screen on your server, nit F10 to access this file. Read the instructions (don't know where they are off hand) on setting up a direct bind authentication. In your small area, there should be no real perfpormance drop.

Jason

>>> Trey Thrasher<TreyNoSpamThrasher@Hotmail.com> 4/15/2004 4:48 PM >>>


I am in a small (5 person office). Many (all) of the users do not have
passwords to login to Netware. I am trying to install messenger on our
system but it does not seem to allow users to login if they do not have a
password. Is it possible to login to messenger if your password is set to
blank? If so, is there any workaround?

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Re: Blank passwords not allowed?

Do they have internet access? E-mail access? If so, there are plenty of
exploits that would love that.

--
Michael J. Bell
Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop
Author of Guinevere (http://www.openhandhome.com)

PLEASE: Do not e-mail me privately unless specifically asked.
I'm a volunteer, not a Novell employee!

All opinions and advice provided are MINE alone and NOT Novell's unless
specifically identified as such.

Novell does not officially monitor these forums.
Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
http://support.novell.com/enhancement

"You've got a way to keep me on your side/You give me cause
for love that I can't hide/For you I know I'd even try to
turn the tide/Because you're mine, I walk the line"

Johnny Cash (RIP)

"Trey Thrasher" <TreyNoSpamThrasher@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I do not think that I understand the need for a password in our office.

All
> persons in the office have basically full access to everything (the only
> limitations that I place on them is the non-adminstrator/supervisers that

do
> not need access to system files are restricted from them and that is only

to
> prevent accidental deletions etc). Internal security is not a problem.
> What could be a problem is someone forgetting their password. Having to
> enter a password seems like an unnecessary burden. I have a password on

my
> computer but that is only because I am set-up for remote computing. Is
> there something that I am missing?
>
>
> "Michael Bell" <mikebellno90spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:TwGfc.485$K87.64@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> > Yecch I hope not.
> >
> > Sorry, but even with 5 people, that's awful practice.
> >
> > --
> > Michael J. Bell
> > Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop
> > Author of Guinevere (http://www.openhandhome.com)
> >
> > PLEASE: Do not e-mail me privately unless specifically asked.
> > I'm a volunteer, not a Novell employee!
> >
> > All opinions and advice provided are MINE alone and NOT Novell's unless
> > specifically identified as such.
> >
> > Novell does not officially monitor these forums.
> > Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> > http://support.novell.com/enhancement
> >
> > "You've got a way to keep me on your side/You give me cause
> > for love that I can't hide/For you I know I'd even try to
> > turn the tide/Because you're mine, I walk the line"
> >
> > Johnny Cash (RIP)
> >
> > "Trey Thrasher" <TreyNoSpamThrasher@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:PqDfc.326$K87.284@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> > > I am in a small (5 person office). Many (all) of the users do not

have
> > > passwords to login to Netware. I am trying to install messenger on

our
> > > system but it does not seem to allow users to login if they do not

have
> a
> > > password. Is it possible to login to messenger if your password is

set
> to
> > > blank? If so, is there any workaround?
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



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Re: Blank passwords not allowed?

> Do they have internet access? E-mail access? If so, there are plenty of
> exploits that would love that.


They have internet access and email address but their (internet) email is
not connected with groupwise. I am honestly curious what exposure that we
have here (maybe we should change our policies).


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Re: Blank passwords not allowed?

Very simpy put, if a hacker can connect with your server in
any way, u have 5 superusers for said hacker to do whatever
they want on your system. this includes, but is not limited
to, stealing customer info, private/personal info,
deleting/stealing company files, depending on user rights
possibly damaging server config or setting up a backdoor on
server, putting viruses or trojans on the server... need I
go on??

If you have ANY internet access in an office, even only 1
computer on the network, that is a hole into your network
system and you SHOULD password all user accounts. Even a
basic NAT router (the home internet sharing devices from
linksys,dlink,smc, gnet, etc... are not 100% as a decent
hacker can get through one of those so don't leave them an
open bank vault full of money and no guards.

USE PASSWORDS, no excuses, especially 'but my users don't
like them' as it wouldn't be their butt on the lline when
stuff gets hacked, its yours.

Rod

People like cheese!!

>>> Trey Thrasher<TreyNoSpamThrasher@Hotmail.com> 4/16/2004

3:10:38 PM >>>
>> Do they have internet access? E-mail access? If so,

there
>are plenty of
>> exploits that would love that.

>
>They have internet access and email address but their
>(internet) email is
>not connected with groupwise. I am honestly curious what
>exposure that we
>have here (maybe we should change our policies).

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Blank passwords not allowed?

Also you have a dangerous assumption that all of the following can be
trusted, EVEN in changing situations

- employees, even ones that leave unamicably
- significant others
- cleaning staff

etc


--
Michael J. Bell
Novell Support Connection Volunteer Sysop
Author of Guinevere (http://www.openhandhome.com)

PLEASE: Do not e-mail me privately unless specifically asked.
I'm a volunteer, not a Novell employee!

All opinions and advice provided are MINE alone and NOT Novell's unless
specifically identified as such.

Novell does not officially monitor these forums.
Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
http://support.novell.com/enhancement

"You've got a way to keep me on your side/You give me cause
for love that I can't hide/For you I know I'd even try to
turn the tide/Because you're mine, I walk the line"

Johnny Cash (RIP)

"Rod Crossman" <RodC@ravenetcomputers.com> wrote in message
news:dIXfc.1529$K87.725@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> Very simpy put, if a hacker can connect with your server in
> any way, u have 5 superusers for said hacker to do whatever
> they want on your system. this includes, but is not limited
> to, stealing customer info, private/personal info,
> deleting/stealing company files, depending on user rights
> possibly damaging server config or setting up a backdoor on
> server, putting viruses or trojans on the server... need I
> go on??
>
> If you have ANY internet access in an office, even only 1
> computer on the network, that is a hole into your network
> system and you SHOULD password all user accounts. Even a
> basic NAT router (the home internet sharing devices from
> linksys,dlink,smc, gnet, etc... are not 100% as a decent
> hacker can get through one of those so don't leave them an
> open bank vault full of money and no guards.
>
> USE PASSWORDS, no excuses, especially 'but my users don't
> like them' as it wouldn't be their butt on the lline when
> stuff gets hacked, its yours.
>
> Rod
>
> People like cheese!!
>
> >>> Trey Thrasher<TreyNoSpamThrasher@Hotmail.com> 4/16/2004

> 3:10:38 PM >>>
> >> Do they have internet access? E-mail access? If so,

> there
> >are plenty of
> >> exploits that would love that.

> >
> >They have internet access and email address but their
> >(internet) email is
> >not connected with groupwise. I am honestly curious what
> >exposure that we
> >have here (maybe we should change our policies).



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