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GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v7.04

[Sorry if I'm not in the correct forum. Haven't needed support since 2009.]

I need a client to access my (old) GroupWise v7.04 PO from my new Windows 10 PC.

PLATFORM
===========
GroupWise PO is v7.0.4 (NLM-based)
File Server = Novel OES Server, NetWare v6.5
PC = Windows 10.0 Home Edn, v1809, (OS Build = 17763.253)

I am finally weaning myself off of my trusty Win-XP PC of 16 years to a new Windows 10 PC.

Is there any client that will install on the Win-10 PC that can access my GroupWise 7.04 system? I only use the very basic E-mail services, so It doesn't matter if other functions don't work like Documents, Calendar, Collaboration, etc..

All I need the client to do is perform the very basic E-mail tasks like:
Create New Mail (sometimes with an attachment)
Reply to E-mail
Forward E-mail
Create Folders Within a Mailbox
Address Book
Provide access to other created mailboxes from my main mailbox login (Alias)

And that's just about it.
I don't want to use WebAccess.

[1] Do I have to upgrade my GroupWise system to a newer (NLM-based) version that will accommodate a Client on Windows 10?
[2] Do I have to upgrade my NetWare 6.5 server to a newer version to accommodate a newer GroupWise system?
[3] If I have to upgrade, what is the minimum platform?
...and so on.

Please don't laugh at me. I was a Novell Authorized Reseller until I retired 12 years ago. That server just keeps
going & going & going like the energizer bunny! NetWare & GroupWise were GREAT products. Installed them on all my clients networks.

I am open to alternative suggestions - even those that will allow me to keep my old platform (without using WebAccess).

Thanks for any assist.

- Howie -
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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v7.04

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:16:02 GMT, Howard
<Howard@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:

>
>[Sorry if I'm not in the correct forum. Haven't needed support since
>2009.]
>
>I need a client to access my (old) GroupWise v7.04 PO from my new
>Windows 10 PC.
>
>PLATFORM
>===========
>GroupWise PO is v7.0.4 (NLM-based)
>File Server = Novel OES Server, NetWare v6.5
>PC = Windows 10.0 Home Edn, v1809, (OS Build = 17763.253)
>
>I am finally weaning myself off of my trusty Win-XP PC of 16 years to a
>new Windows 10 PC.
>
>Is there any client that will install on the Win-10 PC that can access
>my GroupWise 7.04 system? I only use the very basic E-mail services, so
>It doesn't matter if other functions don't work like Documents,
>Calendar, Collaboration, etc..


Newer clients cannot access older POAs. So that means you would need
to use a 7.x client. I'm assuming you tried that and it did not
install on Win10?

>*[1] *Do I have to upgrade my GroupWise system to a newer (NLM-based)
>version that will accommodate a Client on Windows 10?


I think GroupWise 8 was the last version to support NetWare.

>*[2]* Do I have to upgrade my NetWare 6.5 server to a newer version to
>accommodate a newer GroupWise system?


Current GroupWise versions will require either a Linux (SLES or OES)
or Windows server.

What happens when you try to install the GW 7 client on Win 10?

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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v

Howard;2493448 wrote:
[Sorry if I'm not in the correct forum. Haven't needed support since 2009.]

I need a client to access my (old) GroupWise v7.04 PO from my new Windows 10 PC.


Hi Howie,

This forum is just fine.
[1] Do I have to upgrade my GroupWise system to a newer (NLM-based) version that will accommodate a Client on Windows 10?
Maybe...
[2] Do I have to upgrade my NetWare 6.5 server to a newer version to accommodate a newer GroupWise system?
Maybe...
[3] If I have to upgrade, what is the minimum platform?
You may be surprised but there are still quite a few NetWare 6.5 servers running GroupWise. For the most part, it just keeps working.

Moving beyond NetWare means moving to Open Enterprise Server (OES) which runs on Linux. If you don't know Linux, it can take a while to get up to speed.

There are issues trying to install the GroupWise 6.5 client on Windows 7 but it can be installed. I couldn't get it to install on Windows 10 but I didn't try too hard. The GroupWise 8 client installs and runs just fine on Windows 7 and Windows 10. I have not tried to install the GroupWise 7 client.

As Ken mentioned in his response, a GroupWise client cannot communicate with a GroupWise server running a release of GroupWise that is older than the GroupWise client. In other words, a GroupWise 6.5 client can be used with a GroupWise 8 system but a GroupWise 8 client will not talk to a GroupWise 6.5 or GroupWise 7 system.

The last release of GroupWise that can be installed on NetWare is GroupWise 8 SP4. The same release, but the Linux version, will run on OES or SLES. If you want to move to a current release of GroupWise you will first have to upgrade to the latest release of GroupWise 8.

Try to install the GroupWise 7 client on Windows 10. If it installs, that is the simplest solution and will give you what you need.

If it won't install, then it's time to upgrade but still remain on NetWare.


  1. Install the latest NetWare 6.5 SP8.
  2. Install all current NetWare 6.5 SP8 patches.
  3. Upgrade your GroupWise 7 to GroupWise 8.0 SP3 Hot Patch 4.
  4. Install GroupWise 8.0 SP3 Hot Patch 4 Windows Client on your Windows 10 workstation.

    If your maintenance isn't current, you won't be entitled to new(er) releases of GroupWise. In that case I suggest you first make sure your maintenance is current. You have a couple of options:

    • If your NetWare server is properly licensed, talk to Micro Focus and ask them what is the lease expensive way to become current with your maintenance. You may be offered the opportunity to purchase maintenance for each licensed user at a cost of 2.5 times the current annual maintenance fee which can be less than the cost of new licenses.
    • You can purchase new licenses with maintenance. If you have fewer than 250 employees, you can purchase groups of 5-user licenses with maintenance for "Micro Focus Open Workgroup Suite for Small business". The cost is very reasonable!

    Once your maintenance is current:

    • You are entitled to new versions of all the products included with the Micro Focus Open Workgroup Suite.
    • You are entitled to technical support.

    This means you can upgrade your system and count on Micro Focus if you encounter any issues.
    You can start with NetWare with which you have some familiarity then later move to OES once you feel comfortable with Linux.

    I should mention one more thing. You said you have:
    PC = Windows 10.0 Home Edn, v1809, (OS Build = 17763.253)


    The Home editions of Windows are known to be problematic and I don't believe they are supported. To minimize potential issues I would suggest you upgrade to Windows 10 Pro.
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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v

Thanks for your extremely prompt reply. You guys are AWESOME!

Here are the steps I performed to install the GW v7.04 client on my Win-10 LapTop:

GroupWise client v7.04 installation on Win-10 (v1809) LapTop

Ran SETUP.EXE as Administrator

Installation Options:
NO
: Software Integrations & GW Tip of the day
YES to Internet Browser Mail Integration & languages (of which there was only English in drop-down list)

Installation routine completes without any err msgs.

Launch GW Client (run as administrator)

GroupWise Error (dialog box) - - - (Wish I new how to copy a Prt-Scrn screen image)[INDENT]GroupWise is not properly installed. The GroupWise components could not be initialized.[/INDENT]
[INDENT]Please run GroupWise Setup...[/INDENT]


Launch GW Notify (run as Administrator)
Login screen displays
Type in valid info & Clk OK
Notify started up OK & icon is in the Sys Tray

Send E-mail to myself from my Win-XP PC

Win-10’s Notify’s pop up component popped up.

Clk option [Clear], [Close] & the operation was successful

Launch GW Notify again (run as administrator)
Login screen displays
Type in valid info & Clk OK
Notify started up OK & icon is in the Sys Tray
Send E-mail to myself from my Win-XP PC
Notify’s pop up component on Win-10 PC popped up.
Clk option [Read], [INDENT] Get the same err msg as above: GroupWise Error (dialog box) [/INDENT]

Copy all files:
FROM: Win-XP PC C:\Novell\GroupWise on Win-XP PC
TO: Win-10 LapTop C:\Novell\GroupWise on (replacing all files)

Launch GW Client [INDENT] Get the same err msg as above: GroupWise Error (dialog box) [/INDENT]


I seem to remember from many distant moons ago that sometimes a Windows mail component/file
does not properly get replaced by GW (something about MAPI?) in a Windows directory.

Could that be what’s keeping this from running properly?
But then again, I don’t see where anyone else has ever gotten the 7.04 GW client from working.
So why am I even trying?
Maybe it’s the thrill of the hunt!

==> Please also see my reply to Kevin Boyle <==
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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v

Hi,

Perhaps this is of assistance: https://support.microfocus.com/kb/doc.php?id=7023216

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Laura Buckley

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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v

Thanks for your extremely prompt reply! You guys are AWESOME!

Please also see my reply to Ken Ketter regarding my GW client v7.04 install procedures.

I am grateful for your detailed analysis of my problem. I've carefully read thru your recommendations.

I have been retired for 11 years now and therefore have been away from this technology for that long, except for my catastrophic file server melt down, some 6-7 years ago, caused by a failed power supply. Then, finding a legacy motherboard compatible with the aged NetWare OpSys, and re-installing NetWare and patches... WOW! SP-8 for NW-6.5 was always problematic for me causing serious server instability & crashes... Paid support was of little help back then. And so on... and so forth.

If my upgrade to NW-8 does not go well, as NetWare upgrades are sometimes prone to do, I'm locked in to a several week long battle to find stability solutions. Then to upgrade GroupWise, all while praying for leniency...

So I'm thinking of asking an ISP to host my E-mail on their server. I have 25 E-mail boxes to segment aspects of my personal life (like Hotels@, Financial@, Airlines@, TechSupt@, and so on.

Having my own GroupWise system all theses years (& using Proxy Access to my other mailboxes) certainly has been a blessing and made my E-mail life a whole lot easier rather than having EVERYTHING go to one Email box at Gmail.com or Yahoo.com.

I'll see how much the ISPs are going to soak me for hosting 25 E-mail boxes and my domain name. If I can't afford it, then a NetWare upgrade may be in my immediate future. In which case, I'll most definitely be back on the forums.

As a former CNE (when the N stood for NetWare, circa 1991 & NetWare 386) and one who later frequently contributed to Novell's support forums, I greatly appreciate your volunteer efforts here.

Again, thank you, and also to all the SysOps who fulfill our support needs. 🙂 😄 🙂

SeeYa around.

- Howie -
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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v

Thanx Laura.

I'll print this off & give it a try tomorrow.

🙂

- Howie -
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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v7.04

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:14:02 GMT, Howard
<Howard@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:

>
>Thanks for your extremely prompt reply! You guys are AWESOME!
>
>Please also see my reply to Ken Ketter regarding my GW client v7.04
>install procedures.
>
>I am grateful for your detailed analysis of my problem. I've carefully
>read thru your recommendations.
>
>I have been retired for 11 years now and therefore have been away from
>this technology for that long, except for my catastrophic file server
>melt down, some 6-7 years ago, caused by a failed power supply. Then,
>finding a legacy motherboard compatible with the aged NetWare OpSys, and
>re-installing NetWare and patches... WOW! SP-8 for NW-6.5 was always
>problematic for me causing serious server instability & crashes... Paid
>support was of little help back then. And so on... and so forth.
>
>If my upgrade to NW-8 does not go well, as NetWare upgrades are
>sometimes prone to do, I'm locked in to a several week long battle to
>find stability solutions. Then to upgrade GroupWise, all while praying
>for leniency...
>
>So I'm thinking of asking an ISP to host my E-mail on their server. I
>have 25 E-mail boxes to segment aspects of my personal life (like
>Hotels@, Financial@, Airlines@, TechSupt@, and so on.
>
>Having my own GroupWise system all theses years (& using Proxy Access to
>my other mailboxes) certainly has been a blessing and made my E-mail
>life a whole lot easier rather than having EVERYTHING go to one Email
>box at Gmail.com or Yahoo.com.
>
>I'll see how much the ISPs are going to soak me for hosting 25 E-mail
>boxes and my domain name. If I can't afford it, then a NetWare upgrade
>may be in my immediate future. In which case, I'll most definitely be
>back on the forums.
>
>As a former CNE (when the *N* stood for NetWare, circa 1991 & NetWare
>386) and one who later frequently contributed to Novell's support
>forums, I greatly appreciate your volunteer efforts here.
>
>Again, thank you, and also to all the SysOps who fulfill our support
>needs. 🙂 😄 🙂
>
>SeeYa around.
>
>- *Howie* -


Just a thought...
NetWare runs great as a VM. Which also solves the problem of finding
compatible hardware. I still have one NetWare VM running (although it
will soon go away as I finally found a way to replace it's duties with
an OES 2015 server). So maybe you could just setup a host server with
a NetWare VM running GroupWise and a WinXP VM. Run the GW client on
the XP VM and just access it all from your Win10 PC.

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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v7.04

Howard wrote:

> So I'm thinking of asking an ISP to host my E-mail on their server. I
> have 25 E-mail boxes to segment aspects of my personal life (like
> Hotels@, Financial@, Airlines@, TechSupt@, and so on.


Hi Howie,

I understand your dilemma. I also like your approach to how you
organise your email. I use a similar one myself.

I use GroupWise nicknames which work as alias names for your email
address. You can have as many different email addresses as you need
with only a single mailbox. This works well for segregating incoming
email and managing multiple identities but can be challenging if
outgoing email must appear to be from a specific email address.

GroupWise also allows you to create a -resource- which is just like a
regular mailbox but without a specific user associated with it.

Both these approaches provide the ability for a single user to have
multiple email addresses and not have to buy additional user licenses.
Unfortunately, most email hosting services charge for each email
address whether or not they belong to a single individual. 😞

How you proceed really depends on what you want:

If you are so inclined, you can continue to run your own server. A
single 5-user licenses with maintenance for "Micro Focus Open Workgroup
Suite for Small business" is likely all you'll need.

If you are concerned about issues upgrading your existing NetWare
system, you have several options:
- Do a fresh install of NetWare 6.5 SP8 plus available patches. Migrate
your existing GroupWise 7 to the new platform, either to another
GroupWise 7 which you can later upgrade or directly to GroupWise 8.
- Do the same thing but instead of NetWare use OES or SUSE Linux
(licenses included with OWS) or use Windows.

The new server can be physical or virtual (recommended). If you go the
virtual route and don't want to maintain a local server, run your
server in the cloud. It too can be a very cost effective solution and
provides additional flexibility.

If you don't want to manage your own server, I believe you can find
some offerings for hosted GroupWise servers so you have lots of options.


Whatever you choose, if you encounter issues we're here to help.


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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v

Thanx Kevin for offering such a detailed world of possibilities.
Now I'm getting dizzy spells just thinking about them.
It'll probably turn into a stroke when I start technically evaluating all those alternatives.:confused:
_-_-_-Dizzy,
_-_-_-My head is spinning,
_-_-_-Like a whirlpool, it never ends
_-_-_-1969 international hit song recorded by Tommy Roe
Nurse! ...more Tequila in my IV please!
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Re: GW Client Needed For Windows 10 PC to Access GW NLM PO v

Thanx Ken.
I think I momentarily passed out from reading about my alternatives.
I'm fine, now?

I've printed out this discussion thread and will look into all of these this summer, when I have to stay indoors - thanks to the brutal South Carolina heat, humidity, mosquitos and gnats. (I should have stayed in that irrigated dessert called Southern California - Redondo Beach!)

Thanks again for your volunteer tech supporting. :cool:

- Howie -
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