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GroupWise 8 Migration and Upgrade to 2012

Hello All,

I have a GroupWise 8.03 server on SLES 10/OES2 which I am planning to both migrate to a newly purchased server and upgrade to GroupWise 2012 on SLES 10/OES2. I have two questions I am hoping to get the communities help on.

1. When I do the migration, does it make sense to first migrate to the new server and continue to run GW 8 for say a week to simplify the migration and make sure all migrated to the new server/IP correctly? Then I would upgrade the following weekend in place to Groupwise 2012. What are your thoughts on this vs. migrating the data and directly upgrading to GW 2012?

2. I would love to do a test run of the process. How would you go about doing this? Should I bring the new server up in it's own tree, migrate the data using dbcopy, remove it's network connectivity and then go through GW Install/Upgrade? My goal is to be able to do this and then blow it away to start again without causing any conflict or interfearance to the existing system.

Thank you,
Daniel Joaquin
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Re: GroupWise 8 Migration and Upgrade to 2012

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 19:56:06 GMT, deejay33
<deejay33@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:

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>Hello All,
>
>I have a GroupWise 8.03 server on SLES 10/OES2 which I am planning to
>both migrate to a newly purchased server and upgrade to GroupWise 2012
>on SLES 10/OES2. I have two questions I am hoping to get the
>communities help on.
>
>1. When I do the migration, does it make sense to first migrate to the
>new server and continue to run GW 8 for say a week to simplify the
>migration and make sure all migrated to the new server/IP correctly?
>Then I would upgrade the following weekend in place to Groupwise 2012.
>What are your thoughts on this vs. migrating the data and directly
>upgrading to GW 2012?
>
>2. I would love to do a test run of the process. How would you go
>about doing this? Should I bring the new server up in it's own tree,
>migrate the data using dbcopy, remove it's network connectivity and then
>go through GW Install/Upgrade? My goal is to be able to do this and
>then blow it away to start again without causing any conflict or
>interfearance to the existing system.
>
>Thank you,
>Daniel Joaquin


I did a Netware 6.5/GW 8 to OES 11/GW 2012 migration in a single step
using Danita Zanre's guide. Went real smooth. But if you are more
comfortable doing it in two steps, go with that.

Why are you staying on SLES 10/OES 2? That left General Support in
June of last year. You should consider going to SLES 11/OES 11 - and
make sure to install the 64 bit version.

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We keep ongoing maintenance for GroupWise but not for OES. We have license for up to OES2. My longer term plan is to upgrade this new system to GW 2012 on OES2/SLES10, then budget for next year to upgrade to OES 11/SLES11/GW2014.

I see we get the SLES 11 license along with our GW maintenance but correct me if I'm wrong, it should also run OES if we are using eDirectory to manage users.

Daniel
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Hi Daniel,

GroupWise and eDirectory run just fine on a SLES 11 box without OES.

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On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 06:06:03 GMT, laurabuckley
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>Hi Daniel,
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>GroupWise and eDirectory run just fine on a SLES 11 box without OES.


I put GW 2012 on OES because I like the NSS file system. But I think
that was the only reason for OES on mine.
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ketter;2309119 wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 06:06:03 GMT, laurabuckley
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>Hi Daniel,
>
>GroupWise and eDirectory run just fine on a SLES 11 box without OES.


I put GW 2012 on OES because I like the NSS file system. But I think
that was the only reason for OES on mine.


I did think of a couple of other reasons to keep OES when installing the new server. 1. Our IS team runs ConsoleOne from their workstations and connect via NCP. I realize I could use Samba but staying with NCP using our eDir accounts is easier. 2. We only have a file server and Groupwise server with OES. I like the idea of keeping two servers with replicas and the ability to access iManager through a second server in the event of a server issue.

I have contacted our reseller for pricing on OES 11.


Do you have any comment regarding the best way to do a test run of the install? Contemplating installing it into it's own tree, dbcopy the data to it and then go through upgrade. I believe that will keep things seperate but I am not 100% sure since the dbcopy is coming from a server in our production tree. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:36:02 GMT, deejay33
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>I did think of a couple of other reasons to keep OES when installing the
>new server. 1. Our IS team runs ConsoleOne from their workstations and
>connect via NCP. I realize I could use Samba but staying with NCP using
>our eDir accounts is easier. 2. We only have a file server and
>Groupwise server with OES. I like the idea of keeping two servers with
>replicas and the ability to access iManager through a second server in
>the event of a server issue.


Redundancy is good. 🙂

>Do you have any comment regarding the best way to do a test run of the
>install? Contemplating installing it into it's own tree, dbcopy the
>data to it and then go through upgrade. I believe that will keep things
>seperate but I am not 100% sure since the dbcopy is coming from a server
>in our production tree. Any thoughts would be appreciated!


Seems reasonable, but I have never done a test run for a GroupWise
upgrade, so probably best to get someone else's opinion on that.

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deejay33;2308986 wrote:
Hello All,

I have a GroupWise 8.03 server on SLES 10/OES2 which I am planning to both migrate to a newly purchased server and upgrade to GroupWise 2012 on SLES 10/OES2. I have two questions I am hoping to get the communities help on.

1. When I do the migration, does it make sense to first migrate to the new server and continue to run GW 8 for say a week to simplify the migration and make sure all migrated to the new server/IP correctly? Then I would upgrade the following weekend in place to Groupwise 2012. What are your thoughts on this vs. migrating the data and directly upgrading to GW 2012?

2. I would love to do a test run of the process. How would you go about doing this? Should I bring the new server up in it's own tree, migrate the data using dbcopy, remove it's network connectivity and then go through GW Install/Upgrade? My goal is to be able to do this and then blow it away to start again without causing any conflict or interfearance to the existing system.

Thank you,
Daniel Joaquin


I have decided to go with the full upgrade at once to new system running OES11 and GW 2012. I am hoping for help with the second question though. I would like to do a test run of the upgrade and trying to figure out the best way to do so. Any suggestions on that topic?

Thanks,
Daniel Joaquin
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In article <deejay33.6ah5ko@no-mx.forums.novell.com>, Deejay33 wrote:
> I have decided to go with the full upgrade at once to new system running
> OES11 and GW 2012. I am hoping for help with the second question
> though. I would like to do a test run of the upgrade and trying to
> figure out the best way to do so. Any suggestions on that topic?
>

Caveat: I've not actually done this, just went strait ahead. This is just
how I would approach it.

- Make sure your scheduled GWChecks are running cleanly without errors
that keep hanging around.
- Test OES box in it's own tree, but with a primary IP that works on your
main network.
- DBcopy over the domain and postoffice. Preferably doing a final copy
when you have the GW agents off to get a nice clean image like you will
for the production migration.
- Physically isolate the test system along with a test workstation or two.
- Bind the IP address the GW system was using as a secondary on the test
server.
- You will have to graft the GW system to your test tree as a part of the
process. This will be the complicating part of the process and is far
easier than trying to clone over the OES identity of the old box.
- Test away.
- Shut down but keep handy your test server until the migration itself is
successful.


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Thank you for the detailed recommendation Andy! I currently have the first pass dbcopy of the PO going to the test server. I'm really glad I've go through this test run. It's helped me clean up my plan a bit. Small stuff like the fact that I need to install ConsoleOne 1.3.6h from the "GroupWiseInstall"/admin/consoleone directory as an rpm prior to running the ConsoleOne Install from the GroupWise Install routine and working out exact syntax on everything. It will make things run more smoothly and minimize downtime as I work though it on Saturday. I actually have the process down in a 4 page script I'll just follow for the final migration. I also like that I will be able to see what the actual data usage of each partition will be once the migration is complete. Just helps me to know I partitioned things right.

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In article <deejay33.6au100@no-mx.forums.novell.com>, Deejay33 wrote:
> It will make things run more
> smoothly and minimize downtime as I work though it on Saturday.

Now why would we ever want to do that? 😉

> I actually have the process down in a 4 page script I'll just follow
> for the final migration.

A script is a good thing for those occasional big things. Good luck, and I'm glad to have been of assistance.



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