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GroupWise upgrade, version 6.0 to 2012

I posted this topic about a year and a half ago, but am revisiting it again for a customer site. Info:

1 server (Windows 2000)
I primary domain, 1 post office (version 6.0)
edirectory on box, no other boxes in mix, version 8.7

Want to migrate to 2012, and then 2014.

My thoughts are this:

dbcopy data over to new server
install 2012 software, C1, snapins/administration, agent software
Login to C1, check schema, update if needed, which it probably will(want be able to attach to domain at this step since not upgraded)
Upgrade agents
Login to C1, check versions,etc

Novell docs states best practice to upgrade to 2014, is to be on GW8 or 2012. It might work to take GW6 directly to 2014, but I would rather follow their docs for it. One of my questions is can you move the data over to new box, and then upgrade it just to make sure it upgrades correctly, like if I moved the data to a test box that had the 2012 software on it, but not authenticate to edirectory. Also, do my steps look correct order for accomplishing this task? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: GroupWise upgrade, version 6.0 to 2012

One other part to this, plan to install new edirectory servers in the tree before GroupWise work to be done to have them on updated version of edirectory, plus have it replicated to more than one box.
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Hi,

Just a comment - GroupWise 2014 is 64Bit only! I think a move to new OS/Hardware is in order.

I strongly suggest Danita's guide on moving/upgrading to 2014: http://postie.caledonia.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=206

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Yes, that is the plan and I do have her manuals. It just doesn't cover going back that far to GroupWise 6.0. I am looking for gotchas and such. Her manual talks about moving directly to 2014, but it is not supported by Novell. Novell's documentation states preferred going to 2014 to be at least at GroupWise 8 or 2012. So we where going to do this in two step process, moving the actual data to new server, 64bit, SuSE 11sp3, and then upgrading it to 2012. Once that is done, doing upgrade in place to 2014. Since this is so old, I was just looking for a way in test I could move the data to a separate box and actually do the upgrade offline just to make sure it upgrades ok. Once that is done, I will do the actual production data. If going to 2012, is it as simple moving GroupWise 6.0 to 2012,following the procedure in Danita's manual as it would be upgrading a GroupWise 8 system to 2012?
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jlewter wrote:

> Novell docs states best practice to upgrade to 2014, is to be on GW8
> or 2012. It might work to take GW6 directly to 2014, but I would
> rather follow their docs for it. One of my questions is can you move
> the data over to new box, and then upgrade it just to make sure it
> upgrades correctly, like if I moved the data to a test box that had
> the 2012 software on it, but not authenticate to edirectory. Also, do
> my steps look correct order for accomplishing this task? Any help or
> suggestions would be appreciated.


The reason we say that is because we officially tested, certified, and
QA'ed upgrading from 8 or 2012 to 2014. However, I've had a number of
customers upgrade to 2014 directly from 7.0, and I have one customer
right now getting ready to go from 6.5 to 2014. Even if you want to do
it "by the book," we only officially support upgrading from 7.0 or 8.0
to 2012, so you'd look at multiple steps here. I say just go directly
to 2014. And as Laura said, you'll have to use a 64-bit OS. If you're
going to keep it on Windows I recommend 2012 or 2012 R2 simply because
Microsoft has dropped general support for 2008 R2.

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Re: GroupWise upgrade, version 6.0 to 2012

No I am moving it to SuSE for sure. I have already installed a SuSE 11 sp3 64bit box as well. So I plan to dbcopy the data over and doing the upgrade in place. I think I am going to move it to 2012 first, I guess just playing it safe. Then once that looks good moving it to 2014. This is version 6.0, no supports packs as well, hasn't been touched in 10+ years. Statement for sure for Novell on the reliability of GroupWise.
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They are going to be flabbergasted with all the new functionality and client looks! 🙂

I second that first going to 2012 is a good thing to do.
That extra step will give you the opportunity to first walk through all the agent settings to make sure they are all correctly set (using TCP links, http agens enabled, correct platform set, etc) as to make the upgrade to 2014 as smooth as possible.

Danita's 2014 guide is extra good to have in this case, as it contains lot's of good info in checking & preparing the 2012 system before running the upgrade to 2014.
It's really worthwhile getting the version that is specifically written for 2014.

As far as upgrading the databases from 6 to 2012... I haven't done an upgrade with a version that old to 2014, but have done a 7 to 2014 without issues. One thing you might want to check is to see if the ofmsg get split to 256 separate files (vs the 16 GroupWise 6.5 and before used, IIRC)... which you should see as soon as the PO(s) get upgraded to the 2012 version.

After the upgrade to 2012 (and before going to 2014) I'd also be doing a full TDR + structural rebuild of ALL databases in the PO.

Curious... is the 2014 system going to be authenticating against eDir or AD?

Keep us posted! Interested to hear about your progress!

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Willem
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magic31 wrote:

> As far as upgrading the databases from 6 to 2012... I haven't done an
> upgrade with a version that old to 2014, but have done a 7 to 2014
> without issues.


I had a customer go from 6.5 to 2012 without issues.

> After the upgrade to 2012 (and before going to 2014) I'd also be
> doing a full TDR + structural rebuild of ALL databases in the PO.


I would do that before the upgrade as well.

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Re: GroupWise upgrade, version 6.0 to 2012

I recently completed a GroupWise 6.5 to 2014 migration, but I did the following:

GW 6.5 to 8 on Netware
Create new eDirectory, users etc on SLES
Install GroupWise 2012 on new server
FID edit users to match setup on NetWare eDirectory
Archive all users email from GroupWise 8 then un-archive onto GroupWise 2012
Upgrade from 2012 to 2014

I went with this method after trying a DBcopy, graft NDS etc only to find it failed to complete over a weekend (only downtime we can have) and having numerous eDirectory problems. I decided the health and setup of eDirectory on Netware servers was beyond saving. We have 150 users, so wasn't the biggest issue creating users all over again, and it gave me the opportunity to create Tree, Contexts etc how I want.
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It is authenticating to edirectory once all done. Thanks for the info, most appreciated.
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In article <jlewter.6te4dz@no-mx.forums.novell.com>, Jlewter wrote:
> I do have her manuals. It just doesn't cover
> going back that far to GroupWise 6.0. I am looking for gotchas and such.
> Her manual talks about moving directly to 2014, but it is not supported
> by Novell


Danita has mentioned elsewhere that she figures we could do the migration
even strait from GW 5.x but hasn't had the chance to test that far. I
don't recall if it was 6.0 or 6.5 that is the furthest she has done
successfully.

Going strait to 2014 gives you a bit more fall back options in that you
haven't had to touch eDir as deeply as you would with an intermediate hop.

No matter the path you take, a top-down rebuild and making sure regular
maintenance is scheduled on the POA(s) will go a long way to making this
jump go well. Especially to make sure there aren't any stuck problems
showing in the logs. http://www.konecnyad.ca/andyk/gwlogs.htm



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Andy Konecny wrote:

> Danita has mentioned elsewhere that she figures we could do the
> migration even strait from GW 5.x but hasn't had the chance to test
> that far. I don't recall if it was 6.0 or 6.5 that is the furthest
> she has done successfully.


Just last night I saw someone ask about a customer wanting to go from
5.5 to 2014! The recommendation I saw there was to take an
intermediate step at 8 before moving on to 2014. But theoretically you
could go straight to 2014 even from there.

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