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bkeadle Absent Member.
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Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

I need to migrate a Netware-based GroupWise 8 system to SLES-based GroupWise 2014R2.

I had previously done a similar migration by installing a new SLES GroupWise 2014 server and doing a dbcopy from the Netware NSS volume to the SLES EXT3 problem, to avoid having to do the intermediary steps of using the Migration Tool to migrate to GroupWise 8 from Netware to SLES, then upgrading GroupWise 8 to GroupWise 2012 before finally upgrading to GroupWise 2014R2, as the documentation recommends:
f you need to upgrade from an older GroupWise version, you must upgrade at least to GroupWise 8, and preferably to GroupWise 2012, in order to ensure that your GroupWise data is compatible with the upgrade process that is provided in GroupWise 2014.


I'm thinking that a better route might be to install GroupWise 2014 on Windows and simply do a restore of the GroupWise 8 email volumes to the Windows volumes so I can go directly from Netware-GroupWise 8 to Windows-GroupWise 2014R2 in "1 step", *then* use the migration tool to migrate from Windows-GroupWise 2014R2 to SLES-GroupWise 2014R2. It seems to me this may be a more direct route with the least chance of issues along the way.

Can anyone affirm that this is a reasonable/good procedure, or know reasons why it would *NOT* be recommended to do it this way?
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bkeadle Absent Member.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Answer from Novell support:


You can go straight from netware to linux. If you follow that TID , the only thing you will have to change is the type of mount from ncp to a samba mount. Once you transfer the data you can then proceed with the install of the software on the new box and continue the upgrade. But you don't have to go from gw8 netware to gw8 sles.

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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

There is one big caveat! Make sure that on NetWare you change the PO link to TCP/IP if it's currently direct. This is one thing that is very difficult to "fix" once you get to Windows on GW 2014. But yes, otherwise, one step is no problem.
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bkeadle Absent Member.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Whew! Good to know! Thank you! You might have saved the day with that tidbit!
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Hi,

Don't forget the file/folder case sensitivity issue between NetWare and Linux if you go to a Linux based OS such as SLES or OES.

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Laura Buckley

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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Don't go with 2014 R2. Read the Agents forum to see all the issues you will get. WebAccess has problems reported as well.
start at version 2104. wait for R2 to get stable.

I updated our 2014 system to R2, two weekends ago.
R2 has crashed (post offices) more the past two weeks than previous versions combined for the past 10 years.



bkeadle;2422375 wrote:
I need to migrate a Netware-based GroupWise 8 system to SLES-based GroupWise 2014R2.

I had previously done a similar migration by installing a new SLES GroupWise 2014 server and doing a dbcopy from the Netware NSS volume to the SLES EXT3 problem, to avoid having to do the intermediary steps of using the Migration Tool to migrate to GroupWise 8 from Netware to SLES, then upgrading GroupWise 8 to GroupWise 2012 before finally upgrading to GroupWise 2014R2, as the documentation recommends:


I'm thinking that a better route might be to install GroupWise 2014 on Windows and simply do a restore of the GroupWise 8 email volumes to the Windows volumes so I can go directly from Netware-GroupWise 8 to Windows-GroupWise 2014R2 in "1 step", *then* use the migration tool to migrate from Windows-GroupWise 2014R2 to SLES-GroupWise 2014R2. It seems to me this may be a more direct route with the least chance of issues along the way.

Can anyone affirm that this is a reasonable/good procedure, or know reasons why it would *NOT* be recommended to do it this way?
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shootdawg Super Contributor.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

new public hot patch for 2014 R2 was just released this afternoon, so I would advise waiting to see if that fixes the problems everyone has been experiencing.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Am 23.03.2016 um 01:46 schrieb ShootDawg:
>
> new public hot patch for 2014 R2 was just released this afternoon, so I
> would advise waiting to see if that fixes the problems everyone has been
> experiencing.


Just for what it's worth: I don't deny those issues, really. But it's
*not* everyone. I have customers with several hundred users running on
R2 for months without any POA crashes.

U,
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Hi,

I must agree with Massimo - I've run R2 since it's release date and not experienced any crashes.

Cheers,
Laura Buckley

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shootdawg Super Contributor.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

ShootDawg;2423617 wrote:
new public hot patch for 2014 R2 was just released this afternoon, so I would advise waiting to see if that fixes the problems everyone has been experiencing.


The two issues I was experiencing have been resolved for our systems with HP1.
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bkeadle Absent Member.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

I wanted to verify something about the second/final copy when doing a migration. I seem to recall when I did this before, I had everything configured in my new GW2014 environment, and then when I went to cut over, I did the secondary copy, and then when I went to the GroupWise Administration page, I got an unexpected Installation Authorization page, presenting me with an Install/upgrade. Is that normal? When I do the dbcopy -m -s, will that overwrite the 2014 configuration dbs? Do I need to "upgrade" the databases again?
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Hi,

Yes it will copy across your wpdomain DB's for the domain, and the post office db files etc. Run the upgrade again to upgrade these db's.

Note for future: Do not start your GW2014 agents until after your final copy and then do the upgrade - not the other way around.

Cheers,
Laura Buckley

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bkeadle Absent Member.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Thanks Laura!

Hmmm. But I'm trying to "stage" this new server in preparation for the cutover. Is it assumed I wouldn't need to make any configuration changes when I do a dbcopy from GW8 Netware to GW2014 SLES, and just the Upgrade Existing Doman or PostOffice is all I need to bring the new server online? (can it really be that easy?!?!). I have MTA and GWIA to also ensure is in working order which is why I thought I'd build out the new server, test, and prepare it for the final cutover.

The documentation says that the agents from the source should be down when I do dbcopy /s. I get that for the final cutover, however, in the interim, not wanting to disrupt my users, it seems like dbcopy /s is successfully copying changed files. If I using dbcopy /f (the documentation says I can do this as many times as I want and keep the agents running), does that do a 'f'ull recopy of my 600GB PO, or just the changes, like /s?
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

Hi,

Yes, for your final copy you shutdown your agents and do a your final incremental copy. No need to haul all the data over the network again.

Cheers,
Laura Buckley

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bkeadle Absent Member.
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Re: Migration from Groupwise 8 to 2014R2 plan verification

So, /f does do a full copy then?

In my staging efforts, I anticipate running through a "fresh" Domain/PO dbcopy a couple times, so /s while agents are running is OK for this purpose?
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