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Shared Folders/Items removed from roadmap!

Ok, now this is getting stupid.

Since Mobility came out as Data Synchronizer Mobility Pack, it has been repeatedly asked about when shared folders and items would be available. 'Soon', 'next release', 'on roadmap' and variety of answers I recall seeing/hearing. I have just checked the roadmap page (https://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/roadmap/) again as I've been asked again about it by Senior Management and now it's gone altogether! It's not even listed as an item in future Mobility releases.

I don't think the importance of Shared Folders has sunk in somewhere. If something doesn't appear soon then the push for non-GroupWise shores will certainly get a lot stronger. Senior management don't want slow clunky interfaces, they want something quick and integrated - ActiveSync, and they want to see customer folders that are shared with them over ActiveSync. No heavy laptop, no messing about logging into a webmail interface, something instant.

I'm dreading the day I hear the instruction to migrate away. The release of DSMP and now Mobility have put it off, but with no prospect of Shared Folders then it won't be long 😞

Mark.
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I am under the impression that Exchange ActiveSync (the protocol) isn't
capable of shared folder sync.

On 10/23/2014 10:36 AM, MarkDissington wrote:
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> Ok, now this is getting stupid.
>
> Since Mobility came out as Data Synchronizer Mobility Pack, it has been
> repeatedly asked about when shared folders and items would be available.
> 'Soon', 'next release', 'on roadmap' and variety of answers I recall
> seeing/hearing. I have just checked the roadmap page
> (https://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/roadmap/) again as I've been
> asked again about it by Senior Management and now it's gone altogether!
> It's not even listed as an item in future Mobility releases.
>
> I don't think the importance of Shared Folders has sunk in somewhere. If
> something doesn't appear soon then the push for non-GroupWise shores
> will certainly get a lot stronger. Senior management don't want slow
> clunky interfaces, they want something quick and integrated -
> ActiveSync, and they want to see customer folders that are shared with
> them over ActiveSync. No heavy laptop, no messing about logging into a
> webmail interface, something instant.
>
> I'm dreading the day I hear the instruction to migrate away. The release
> of DSMP and now Mobility have put it off, but with no prospect of Shared
> Folders then it won't be long 😞
>
> Mark.
>
>


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MarkDissington,
> Since Mobility came out as Data Synchronizer Mobility Pack, it has been
> repeatedly asked about when shared folders and items would be available.
> 'Soon', 'next release',


Can you elaborate on what type of "shared folders" you want? Are we
talking "contact folders" or "file folders"?

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Hi Anders,

Shared File folders under the cabinet. Every customer we have has a centrally created file folder owned by a resource where anyone who needs it is give shared access rights. They can then file emails/documents/everything in a single place for everyone to see/review/manage/reply. As far as a user is concerned the folder just magically appears and they don't have to worry about it, a properly centralised resource. They don't see these folders in Mobility, up until today "Shared Items" was on the roadmap as it has been for the ~3 years since DSMP first dropped and now it's gone.

I don't care how it is done, I don't care that ActiveSync does understand shared folders - it also doesn't understand Phone Messages but they get translated into something it CAN work with.
Without the unique selling point of Shared Folders, Mobility (and by inference GroupWise and All related Novell products) will be gone and some kind of weird and wonderful cloud email/collaboration solution with whizzy tablet apps will be pushed on me. Whilst it may not be Exchange it'll certainly be the first thing that can do collaborative email/folders/docs straight to iOS and Mac (yes fighting that fight as well)

It's the hearts and minds of the users we have to win in this battle I'm afraid.

Mark.
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MarkDissington,
> Shared File folders under the cabinet. Every customer we have has a
> centrally created file folder owned by a resource where anyone who needs
> it is give shared access rights. They can then file
> emails/documents/everything in a single place for everyone to
> see/review/manage/reply.


Filr?

But OK. Now that I understand what you mean, I can ask.

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Hi,

Am 24.10.2014 um 11:19 schrieb Anders Gustafsson:
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> Filr?

Filr will not share messages. But it could be the first advice.

Go


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Hi Go,

Exactly my point, there are other Novell solutions that do part of the problem, but they're different apps/interfaces and therefore detract for the 'everything in one place' experience. They see it in the client, they see it in WebAccess - they were promised it in Mobility and now they aren't.

Another nail in the coffin.

It is technically feasible to do, WebAccess can display folders shared with a user, and that retrieves the data via SOAP. So Mobility can get the data, what it DOES with that data to show it on an ActiveSync device I don't really care - that is code and logic, we write code here and that code is written to solve the requirements, and the requirement are to have Shared Folder functionality comparable to other GroupWise access methods.
All the ActiveSync client needs to be able to do is:
- read items in the folder
- delete items from the folder (if the user doesn't have rights just ignore the request and don't delete the item)
- add/file things to the folder from the user's mailbox (again if the user doesn't have rights just ignore the request and don't move the item)

It is not that difficult, really it isn't, you already have a dedicated box running the Mobility logic engine, you've just got to code it to make the functions/features available in ActiveSync map to the functions/features available in GroupWise Shared Folders in the best and most useful way possible. As I said earlier in the thread this is done for Phone Messages, translated by Mobility into a specially formatted email. Similar requirement, more complex maybe, but still mapping one type of object via rules/logic to give you an ActiveSync complaint 'view' at the Device end.

Sorry, rant over, as you can tell Shared Folders is a subject core to our use of GroupWise here and one of the key differentiators to other products vying for business.

Mark.
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You're not alone, we've been waiting for this one too. We use shared
folders extensively here and my users really don't like the fact that
they can't access them on their phones and tablets with GMS.

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OK.I hear you and have asked Novell. I can also bring it up when I meet
the GW PM at BrainShare.

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Am 24.10.2014 um 12:36 schrieb MarkDissington:
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> Hi Go,
>
> Exactly my point, there are other Novell solutions that do part of the
> problem, but they're different apps/interfaces and therefore detract for
> the 'everything in one place' experience.

But Groupwise is at first a mail and calendar solution. Document
management and libraries were cancelled since version 2014.
I see some difficulties to unify different platforms: file on the one
and messages, appointments or contact on the other side.

A look over the hence: may sharepoint provide this functions (brrr...)

Go

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Can you please enter an enhancement request to give this more
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Can you please enter an enhancement request to give this more
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