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What is minimum GW Client Version supported by GW 8?

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What is minimum GW Client Version supported by GW 8? Can we use GW Client
7.0.0

Jim
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To Jim

>Can we use GW Client
>7.0.0


That should be OK

Cheers Dave


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Re: What is minimum GW Client Version supported by GW 8?

Dave,

Dave Parkes wrote:
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> To Jim
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> >Can we use GW Client
> >7.0.0

>
> That should be OK


Except that the 7.0.0 client in itself is certainly *not* ok, and is
probably to date the most buggy GW client ever released. Why in the word
would someone use exactly that version, and not at least a recent 7.0.X
version?

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Re: What is minimum GW Client Version supported by GW 8?

<g>, yep, I should have said the latest GW7.x client

Cheers Dave


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Re: What is minimum GW Client Version supported by GW 8?

Thanks both of you. We are actually using GW7 SP2 client. Just in case we
have some users who might still be running GW 7.0.

-Jim

>>> On 4/21/2009 at 5:22 AM, in message

<xn0g968uf2wm9b600y@forums.novell.com>,
Dave Parkes<Dave@Norgren.co.uk> wrote:
<>g>, yep, I should have said the latest GW7.x client
>
> Cheers Dave
>

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Re: What is minimum GW Client Version supported by GW 8?

Believe it or not, I still have v6.0 and v6.5 GW clients successfully connecting to my v8 HP1 post offices.

Yeah, I know. But with ~10,000 users and a culture of significant resistance to change... <shrug> We'll get there. Sooner. Or later. - GA

Greg Amy GroupWise Admin Hartford (CT) Hospital
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Greg,

Do you need some help getting your users upgraded to GW8?

Wow, 10,000 users on GroupWise? Holy cow.

How come Novell isn't making a case study out of you guys?

Aloha from Honolulu,
Jonathan
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Hi,

jon spangler wrote:
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> Greg,
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> Do you need some help getting your users upgraded to GW8?
>
> Wow, 10,000 users on GroupWise? Holy cow.


Holy cow?? Why? I have several customers (much) bigger than that. I've
already supported +50.000 user GW installations over 10 years ago.

> How come Novell isn't making a case study out of you guys?


Because quite seriously, that size isn't something *that* unusual.

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Re: What is minimum GW Client Version supported by GW 8?

Agreed. While it is a lot, it's not outstanding. Plus, ours is really a spread-out metro-area network, with pretty much everything centered around one city. I've personally done consulting/eDirectory work/design at worldwide corporations that had many more seats, spread out nation- and world-wide.

I'd guess our implementation is probably 90th percentile of Novell customers, maybe?

As for the client upgrades, this place uses ZENworks and imaging, however we're a health-care facility and we have a strict change control process that requires all apps to be tested and approved in the lab to work with all other apps. As such, we can't just blast out the latest version of the client to all PCs unless we took the time to test it on all possible hardware/OS combinations. Other than security fixes, we tend to lean on upgrading software primarily using a hardware end-of-life system and/or complete re-imaging. So, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Best part about GroupWise, though, is with ~17k users (10k full or limited), 34 POs, 10 domains, two WebAccs, and two GWIAs, two spam-filtering gateways, and two outbound secure email systems, other than our HelpDesk and Field Services team you're pretty much talkin' to the GroupWise support team. Try that with Exchange...

It's a living. 😉 - GA

Greg Amy GroupWise Admin Hartford (CT) Hospital
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Hi,

gregamy wrote:

> Best part about GroupWise, though, is with ~17k users (10k full or
> limited), 34 POs, 10 domains, two WebAccs, and two GWIAs, two
> spam-filtering gateways, and two outbound secure email systems, other
> than our HelpDesk and Field Services team you're pretty much talkin' to
> the GroupWise support team. Try -that -with Exchange...


Thanks, but HECK, NO THANKS. 😉

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gregamy;1779391 wrote:


Best part about GroupWise, though, is with ~17k users (10k full or limited), 34 POs, 10 domains, two WebAccs, and two GWIAs, two spam-filtering gateways, and two outbound secure email systems, other than our HelpDesk and Field Services team you're pretty much talkin' to the GroupWise support team. Try that with Exchange...

It's a living. 😉 - GA


Okay,

So if you had the 10,000 users on Exchange, you would probably need more than 34 POs.

You certainly would need many more servers than I suspect you currently have.

Do you support mobile devices as well? BES servers and GMS servers?

Would it be fair to say that it would cost TWICE as much just in hardware/software to go with Exchange over GroupWise?

And then if you add in support efforts, it would be THREE times as much?

How many Exchange folk would it take to support 10,000 users?

I went to Novell's website, and you guys are listed here on the trade up page, along with "SesameWorkshop": Novell GroupWise

Aloha,
Jonathan
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Hi,

jon spangler wrote:
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> So if you had the 10,000 users on Exchange, you would probably need
> more than 34 POs.


That depends more on the amount of data in the POs than the user count,
but yes, certainly.

>
> Would it be fair to say that it would cost TWICE as much just in
> hardware/software to go with Exchange over GroupWise?


No. That really depends on the individual situation. It could be, it
could be the other way round.

> And then if you add in support efforts, it would be THREE times as
> much?


That however is *WAY* too low. To support 10k Exchnage USers in my
experience needs a minimum of a dozen full time Exchnage only admins.
YOu will never ever get along with support costs of "only" three times
of what you need for GW. The TCO (of which of course the by far biggest
part is keeping it running, e.g the staff to handle it daily) of
Exchange is more like 6 to 10 times that of GW.

> How many Exchange folk would it take to support 10,000 users?


Again, it depends. I know Exchage sites with about that size, and they
feel just great and praise Exchange, because they have "only" 10 full
time Exchnage Admins. When I tell them that for the same size GW they
only need two admins (of which one is only really needed in case the
other one goes on vacation or is sick), they just laugh at me, and don't
believe it. But it's true.

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