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IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06


We are in the process of upgrading our PeopleTools from version 8.51 to
8.53. In testing this upgrade I got a new set of the CI API files. I am
running IDM 3.6.1 with java 1.6 (x64), so I compiled those files with a
compiler of the same version. The compiler itself reported some
warnings:

warning: psft/pt8/joa/IObject.class(psft/pt8/joa:IObject.class): major
version 51 is newer than 50, the highest major version supported by this
compiler.
It is recommended that the compiler be upgraded.
warning:
psft/pt8/joa/JOAException.class(psft/pt8/joa:JOAException.class): major
version 51 is newer than 50, the highest major version supported by this
compiler.
It is recommended that the compiler be upgraded.
2 warnings

I didn't like that, so I compiled with java 7, and I didn't get any of
those warnings.

As a test I decided to generate 2 sets of jar files with the CI APIs.
One compiled with java 6 and the other with java 7. When I tried to test
those files using the CITester tool, I got the error "Unsupported
major.minor version 51.0."

I ran the CITester tool with the java under ../lib64/nds-modules/jre and
the dirxmlcomps.jar file from the ../lib64/dirxml/classes directory.

As another test I ran the CITester tool with java 7, I didn't have any
problem.

Is this newer version of PeopleTools not compatible with IDM 3.6.1 which
means I will have to upgrade to IDM 4.0.2?


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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06

Java 6 is EoL, as is IDM 3.6.x, so it seems likely that any PeopleTools
stuff you add that is current will need to come from Java 7. IDM 4.0 SP2
supports the JRE 1.7, and the steps to apply it are documented with one of
the IDM 4.0 SP2 patches.

On the other hand, if you're using a Remote Loader you could probably have
that use the current (7) JRE and still get away with an older engine since
the problem you have is just loading the JAR, which would happen in a
Remote Loader (assuming you have one as you should).

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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06

ab wrote:

> IDM 4.0 SP2
> supports the JRE 1.7, and the steps to apply it are documented with one of
> the IDM 4.0 SP2 patches.


And from what I saw during an update to 4.0.2.3 a few weeks ago, Java 7 is now
installed and activated silently by default.

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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06


Is IDM 4.0.2 also running on java 6?


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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:57:36 +0000, celsolima wrote:

> Is this newer version of PeopleTools not compatible with IDM 3.6.1 which
> means I will have to upgrade to IDM 4.0.2?


For the new PeopleTools you *must* use Java7 (v1.7), which is supported
with IDM4.02.


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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06


I really appreciate the quick feedback you guys provided. I just
downloaded the latest Engine and Remote Loader patch for 4.0.2 per
Lothar's post. I have a test machine already running 4.0.2 Patch 2, so I
will try Patch 3 on it.

At this point I will follow AB's recommendation and set up a remote
loader, so the Peoplesoft team can proceed with their upgrade. They are
pretty much ready for that. That will give me a couple of weeks to
prepare and work on the IDM software upgrade.


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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06

On 11/20/2013 01:54 PM, celsolima wrote:
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> At this point I will follow AB's recommendation and set up a remote
> loader, so the Peoplesoft team can proceed with their upgrade. They are
> pretty much ready for that. That will give me a couple of weeks to
> prepare and work on the IDM software upgrade.


Oh the confidence people place in me.... it's flattering.

Just to be sure I am not misleading you, the Remote Loader you'll need is
the 4.x Remote Loader, not the 3.6.x Remote Loader. You could, possibly,
use the 3.6.x Remote Loader and then replace its JRE with a 1.7 version,
but that was never tested, is not supported, and may not work. I'll bet
it does work, but just be forewarned. On the other hand, using the IDM
4.x Remote Loader with the IDM 3.6.x engine was tested and is fine.

Worst case, you could use the "Java Remote Loader" which is a different
beast and in its simplicity would let you do whatever, again with
questionable support. Who cares, though, as long as it works.

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I installed the java remote loader from the IDM 3.6.x install media, and
I am using it with JRE 1.7 with it. It has been working working without
any problems. Because it is a self contained application, I am running
it on the same machine as the metadirectory engine. I mentioned to our
Peoplesoft administrators about running the remote loader on their end
as a permanent solution even after we upgrade to IDM 4.

On this topic of remote loader and just our of curiosity, can I run the
metadirectory engine and the remote loader (rdxml) on the same machine?
Would the installation files of one overwrite some of the files
installed by the other? I noticed they seem to share the
.../lib/dirxml/classes folder.


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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06

On 11/21/2013 12:56 PM, celsolima wrote:
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> I installed the java remote loader from the IDM 3.6.x install media, and
> I am using it with JRE 1.7 with it. It has been working working without
> any problems. Because it is a self contained application, I am running
> it on the same machine as the metadirectory engine. I mentioned to our
> Peoplesoft administrators about running the remote loader on their end
> as a permanent solution even after we upgrade to IDM 4.
>
> On this topic of remote loader and just our of curiosity, can I run the
> metadirectory engine and the remote loader (rdxml) on the same machine?
> Would the installation files of one overwrite some of the files
> installed by the other? I noticed they seem to share the
> ../lib/dirxml/classes folder.


You can run both on the same machine. Some of the Appliances NetIQ has
now like Cloud Access use IDM at the core, with remote loaders to
various systems, all on the same box.

The classes should be the same, the config files should be different.

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I would still have to pay close attention to classes that have been
updated through patches and service packs, right? In my case I have had
this metadirectory engine running for a good number of years now and
have applied all the updates for engine and drivers that have been
released so far. If I try to install the remote loader at this point
after all those updates were applied, will the installation software
overwrite some of the classes? For example, the update for the
entitlement service driver or even some other classes updated by the
engine update packages.


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On 11/21/2013 2:44 PM, celsolima wrote:
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> I would still have to pay close attention to classes that have been
> updated through patches and service packs, right? In my case I have had
> this metadirectory engine running for a good number of years now and
> have applied all the updates for engine and drivers that have been
> released so far. If I try to install the remote loader at this point
> after all those updates were applied, will the installation software
> overwrite some of the classes? For example, the update for the
> entitlement service driver or even some other classes updated by the
> engine update packages.


The Linux remote loader uses a couple of scripts, you could easily
modify to point elsewhere. Specifically, the Java Remote Loader,
assumes your classes are in /opt/novell/eDirectory/lib and I usually
edit the script to point where I want it to go.


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Re: IDM 3.6.1: Peoplesoft 5.2 PeopleTools 8.53.06

To add a bit more detail, and to answer the original question of RL and
engine on the same box:

Do not do this until IDM 4.x. There, that's all.

With IDM 4.x the installer and various packages are clever and work
together for all kinds of combinations, the engine and both rdxml RLs
(x86_32 and x86_64) assuming the system supports x86_64. It's not flawless
since there's only one rdxml init script and I think it defaults to
x86_64, but its pretty good and at least works better than the 3.6.1 stuff
which could work but often hand hangups because of the attempts to use the
same JRE for different things. For example, install the x86_64 engine and
then install the x86_32 RL to the same box so that you can run the GW
driver in the Remote Loader. Boom... engine's busted and you're losing
events. Anyway, go to 4.x, or use another system for the RL, or use the
Java Remote Loader and do everything manually. rdxml RLs and the engine
all use the same path for JARs so patch once, run many.

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