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Validator Licensing


hi,

used validator the first time when changes in our active directory
drivers had to be made. GREAT (notice: uppercase).
when asking about pricing ... *gulp* .

if anyone is interested, that´s what our reseller sent us:

Validator for Identity Manager 1-5 Connections Priority Subscription
1-Year / 9.400,00
Validator for Identity Manager 6-10 Connections Priority Subscription
1-Year / 14.100,00
Validator for Identity Manager Unlimited Connections Priority
Subscription 1-Year / 23.500,00

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Question:
why is this not in IDM advanced edition, would that not be a unique
selling proposition one could win over any developer/engineer?

our Situation:
we have 80+ Active Directory Drivers (Notes Drivers, a few Delimited
Text Drivers), but rarely need to make a change/addition to the driver
logic(s) (twice a year), which might involve changing AD & Notes & Text,
you can imagine some things do happen.
to date this was cumbersome, i did my testing with command-line tools
and ldif-files, yet still not testing out every aspect of some change
for "practicability reasons" leading to unwanted behaviour, more
commonly referred to as bugs.

validator is a great tool to allow more agile development of those
changes with a safety net. still hard to argue due to those rare changes
for such a hefty fee (yearly!). been there, done that. no validator.

i can see a few advantages by putting it in advanced:
- argument for buying advanced edition, we have 15.000 users, about 130
drivers, but no technical need for advanced, we´d be happy with standard
edition. validator would change that.
- unique selling proposition each technician would understand the value
of.
- lowers the bar to make changes: might increase the number of customers
taking their well running idm infrastructure into consideration to
achieve certain goals they refrained from touching the system. further
implications: strengthens the product, increases acceptance, reputation
points for netiq, ....
- ....

i want validator. i won´t get it. don´t know how many validator
subscriptions have been sold as of today, but i assume it would be wise,
to bundle it into IDM.


thumbs up for your great work @those who made validator. florian


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Re: Validator Licensing

On 03.04.2013 16:34, florianz wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> used validator the first time when changes in our active directory
> drivers had to be made. GREAT (notice: uppercase).
> when asking about pricing ... *gulp* .
>
> if anyone is interested, that�s what our reseller sent us:
>
> Validator for Identity Manager 1-5 Connections Priority Subscription
> 1-Year / 9.400,00
> Validator for Identity Manager 6-10 Connections Priority Subscription
> 1-Year / 14.100,00
> Validator for Identity Manager Unlimited Connections Priority
> Subscription 1-Year / 23.500,00
>
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> Question:
> why is this not in IDM advanced edition, would that not be a unique
> selling proposition one could win over any developer/engineer?


Analyzer started off as not bundled with IDM, but was bundled in IDM 4 -
I wonder, has the uptake of this tool increased since it was bundled and
got greater exposure?

> our Situation:
> we have 80+ Active Directory Drivers (Notes Drivers, a few Delimited
> Text Drivers), but rarely need to make a change/addition to the driver
> logic(s) (twice a year), which might involve changing AD & Notes & Text,
> you can imagine some things do happen.


This is my experience with many IDM environments, they get a solution
working to a specific level of stability and then let it run happily for
several years. Priced as it is, Validator is a hard sell for initial
development on anything but the really large IDM installs.

On top of that, it's also far too easy for a manager to see a tool like
validator as an item they could cut from the annual budget on once the
IDM environment went live. If they do this, and you later need to make
some changes and you no longer have the ability to run automated testing.

> i can see a few advantages by putting it in advanced:
> - argument for buying advanced edition, we have 15.000 users, about 130
> drivers, but no technical need for advanced, we�d be happy with standard
> edition. validator would change that.


I'm surprised that with so many drivers (and a reasonable number of
users) you haven't found the need for roles or workflows.

In my opinion what would really kick-start the adoption of Validator by
end-customers is if the tool was free to NetIQ partners to use on active
customer engagements, with the following conditions:

1. That the software and tests were not left with the customer once the
engagement was completed unless the customer had purchased a Validator
license. (this is already a condition if the partner buys Validator)
2. Some upper limit on user count (not driver count) where customers
have to pay regardless.
3. Upper limit on engagement length (maybe 90 days like the IDM
evaluation period)

This would allow most of the customers I work with to get a proper feel
for the value of the product and want to buy it -
I feel that the 30 day expiry of the demo is too short.


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Re: Validator Licensing

Alex McHugh wrote:

> Analyzer started off as not bundled with IDM, but was bundled in IDM 4 - I
> wonder, has the uptake of this tool increased since it was bundled and got
> greater exposure?


I think those two tools are not directly comparable in this regard.

Using Analyzer only makes much sense in situations where you have huge existing
data pools to connect with IDM. So no use case if you build a solution from the
scratch or if you have data pools with easy matching possibilities and
undisputed authoritative data sources. Analyzer also used to be a little too
buggy and neglected by deveopment to really catch on, imho.

Validator on the other hand is a tool for continuous use: during driver
development for classical unit testing, for troubleshooting IDM infrastructures
to identify exactly where things start going wrong, and as well as a business
policy validation tool to assist change management. It also has a wider
audience: not only IDM admins, devs and consultants, but also IT testers and
business users that can easily verify the validity of an IDM solution with a
mouseclick, once proper tests have been defined (not by them, probably).

So if it would help getting Validator into the product, I would not mind pull
out Analyzer and apply the current Validator licensing scheme for compensation
😉

Cheers, Lothar
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Re: Validator Licensing

On 05.04.2013 08:45, Lothar Haeger wrote:
> Alex McHugh wrote:
>
>> Analyzer started off as not bundled with IDM, but was bundled in IDM 4 - I
>> wonder, has the uptake of this tool increased since it was bundled and got
>> greater exposure?

>
> I think those two tools are not directly comparable in this regard.

...
> Using Analyzer only makes much sense in situations where you have huge existing
> data pools to connect with IDM.


Somewhat true, though ironically it chokes on large data sets (where it
really should shine).
I've used it to analyse data sets as small as 2000 identities/users in
some cases.

> Analyzer also used to be a little too
> buggy and neglected by deveopment to really catch on, imho.


This part is very true. However I feel it has had a little more
focus/resources and bug fixing in the past year or so, the product is
still frustratingly limiting in some respects though.

> Validator on the other hand is a tool for continuous use:


This true and is why it is licensed annually. Maybe they should
introduce a two tier licensing model.

1. Developer per-connector license as it is today (licensed annually) -
actually expires in the product and needs to be renewed.
- Allows full development of tests including creation of new tests and
updating existing tests.
- renewal cost is determined as the cost of a new Developer
per-connector license at this time, includes 1 extra year of tester license.
- Partners can purchase a partner version of the Developer per-connector
license that can be used to active developer mode at individual
customers for a short period (max 30 days - same as trial license) -
partner activation doesn't extend the customer's tester license.

2. Tester license (licensed annually)
- fraction of full developer license for the number of connectors
- can only run tests, can't develop new tests or make changes to
existing tests. (much the same as you purchase IDM maintenance licenses,
but still per connector not per user)

> So if it would help getting Validator into the product, I would not mind pull
> out Analyzer and apply the current Validator licensing scheme for compensation


I don't think Analyzer has a future as a separately licensed product.

However NetIQ is right to expect that Validator needs to be licensed
continuously as that is how it should be used.

They need have a licence model that better reflects this.


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Re: Validator Licensing

Alex McHugh wrote:

> I don't think Analyzer has a future as a separately licensed product.


They could make it a product valuable in its own if they wanted to. Add
reporting capabilities to visualize the status quo of any existing
(vendor-independent) IDM or ETL-connected infrastructure and you would have a
nice audit tool for all kinds of data sync scenarios.
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