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64 bit Novell Client for windows???

When is there going to be a 64 bit Windows compatible Novell client?

Win64 has been out for a couple years now, what is the holdup??

I am wanting to migrate some of our windows servers and high end
workstations to 64 bit versions of windows and cant because there is no
novell client that works on it.

Native file access is not an option...

Client service for netware is not an option because MS has given up on
Netware like most of the rest of the world (it is not included in the 64
bit versions, and wont be in "vista" workstation or server).

Please advise, this is frustrating.
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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

From what's been written in this newsgroup it seems that there won't be a
Win64 Client. Novell is waiting for Vista to have any sort of 64bit client
and that will be available 3 months after the release of Vista. Whenever
that is!


<annie.allen@storageking.com> wrote in message
news:8VAog.11790$tN4.10189@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> When is there going to be a 64 bit Windows compatible Novell client?
>
> Win64 has been out for a couple years now, what is the holdup??
>
> I am wanting to migrate some of our windows servers and high end
> workstations to 64 bit versions of windows and cant because there is no
> novell client that works on it.
>
> Native file access is not an option...
>
> Client service for netware is not an option because MS has given up on
> Netware like most of the rest of the world (it is not included in the 64
> bit versions, and wont be in "vista" workstation or server).
>
> Please advise, this is frustrating.



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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

Hi,

annie.allen@storageking.com wrote:
>
> When is there going to be a 64 bit Windows compatible Novell client?


A while after Vista ships. There will not be a 64bit client for XP64.

> Win64 has been out for a couple years now, what is the holdup??


What you're referring to as been out for a couple of years is Windows
for Itanium processors, which was a huge success (not), and doesn't
exist anymore. XP64 is only out for a few months, and it too is a niche
product for which Novell has decided to offer no support.

> I am wanting to migrate some of our windows servers and high end
> workstations to 64 bit versions of windows


Why?

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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

Windows 2003 server x64 (note: not IA64) was released in April of 2005
(over a year ago)


Windows XP professional x64 was released in April of 2005 (over a year ago)

Both of these products were in Beta for some time, almost 2 years before
official release. What is the excuse?

Vista has no firm release date and you are saying Novell isnt even going to
release a 64 bit client for Windows 2003 or XP? Windows 2003 revision 2 was
released in late 2005, which makes it End of Life in 2015 if MS continues
their current support paradigm. So you wont support an OS that is not EOL
for 9.5 years?

And if you want to connect to a Netware server from a Windows x64 machine
you have to UPGRADE your OS?

That is unacceptable. Please tell me you are joking.

I cant be the only one that feels this way.
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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

Hi,

annie.allen@storageking.com wrote:
> So you


"You"? I'm not Novell, not even a Novell employee.


> And if you want to connect to a Netware server from a Windows x64 machine
> you have to UPGRADE your OS?


If you want to do that with a Novell client, yes.

> That is unacceptable.


Call Novell and tell them.

> Please tell me you are joking.


No, I'm not.

> I cant be the only one that feels this way.


I for one happen to agree with Novells decision. XP64 is a very low
volume niche product, and will be history very soon after Vista ships.
Windows 2003 Server 64bit at least has some business value and market
strength, but *very few* customer running such a server really need a
Novell client on it. So overall, the ROI for Novell to develop a client
for a small and obviously not very long-living intermediate platform is
just not worth it. YMMV.

CU,
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Massimo Rosen
Novell Product Support Forum Sysop
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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

> Windows XP professional x64 was released in April of 2005 (over a year ago)

You might find it difficult to purchase systems from folks like Dell
with XP 64 -- there is a reason for that.

Regarding Vista -- my sense is that Novell sees that as the desktop
direction for Microsoft (and NOT XP 64) and is allocating resources to
support it with a client. A difficulty here is that the code from the
Microsoft side is still at least somewhat in flux, and the history is
that which 'fluxes' most is that which causes 3rd party folks the most
duplication of effort.



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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???


> Native file access is not an option...


Why is this not an option?


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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

Things like this are going to cause us to hasten our migration away from
Netware.

I find it unacceptable too.

We have a move afoot to move our citrix terminal servers to Windows 2003
Server x64, which allows for 32 gigs of ram out of the box.

Terminal servers need memory, they thrive on it.

All of our other applications work on them, EXCEPT zenworks (for the DLU
feature) and Client32.

Since, for the moment anyway, we are a novell shop, and use NDS for
authentication for all network resources, we have to keep our servers at 32
bit windows.

So basically because Novell chooses NOT to release a 64 bit capable client
(and zenworks, but that is another story... we could live without it if
need be) we will be instead moving to Active directory.

The writing was on the wall, and we had been on the fence for a while, this
was just the proverbial "straw the broke the camel's back" so to speak.

Basically we are having to keep 2-3 times the number of Citrix servers in
our farms because we cant use x64 windows 2003 server. That cost adds up.

I dont care about xp64, but not having a client32 for windows 2003 server
x64 is really a terrible decision, and will cost Novell even more
customers. However, considering some of their bonehead moves the past 8-10
years, this does not surprise me.

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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

> I for one happen to agree with Novells decision.

Not surprising

> Windows 2003 Server 64bit at least has some business value and market
> strength, but *very few* customer running such a server really need a
> Novell client on it.


I just gave you an example, I happen to know a couple other people in the
same boat. Anyone out there who uses Novell portal services and Citrix are
basically screwed by this in one way or another.

> So overall, the ROI for Novell to develop a client
> for a small and obviously not very long-living intermediate platform is
> just not worth it.


Novell is no stranger to wasting money on stillborn or abandoned projects.
Just ask all the people who bought into Branch Office and border manager.
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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

Well, with XP64, I can understand the choice Novell has made -- sort of
it's own dead end product and development of a client for it wouldn't
help with the development of a client for Vista as they are very
different animals.

Personally, I'd love to see Novell get users in the process for a
Client 64 for Vista. I'm not real thrilled with a 'wait until
Microsoft releases it, then we will start' approach (and I don't know
that this is what Novell is thinking about).

I also would really like to see Novell doing more for what they seem to
view as 'legacy' Novell folks (ie Netware *any* version compared to
SuSE server products). While I definitely see that Linux will be
Novell's future, I'd really like for us folks living in the NetWare
world not to feel *punished* for long term loyalty.


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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

B-Man,

Not surprisingly, I agree. 😉


Barry Schnur wrote:
> Well, with XP64, I can understand the choice Novell has made -- sort of
> it's own dead end product and development of a client for it wouldn't
> help with the development of a client for Vista as they are very
> different animals.
>
> Personally, I'd love to see Novell get users in the process for a
> Client 64 for Vista. I'm not real thrilled with a 'wait until
> Microsoft releases it, then we will start' approach (and I don't know
> that this is what Novell is thinking about).
>
> I also would really like to see Novell doing more for what they seem to
> view as 'legacy' Novell folks (ie Netware *any* version compared to
> SuSE server products). While I definitely see that Linux will be
> Novell's future, I'd really like for us folks living in the NetWare
> world not to feel *punished* for long term loyalty.
>
>

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Hi,

jman55@usefulthings.org wrote:
>
> > I for one happen to agree with Novells decision.

>
> Not surprising


Why?

> > Windows 2003 Server 64bit at least has some business value and market
> > strength, but *very few* customer running such a server really need a
> > Novell client on it.

>
> I just gave you an example, I happen to know a couple other people in the
> same boat. Anyone out there who uses Novell portal services and Citrix are
> basically screwed by this in one way or another.


Yes, I know (and Novell too) that there are customers that are affected
by that decision. They *are* very few anyways, believe me. And the few
customers I know personally that are affected by that decision
definitely do *NOT* need a 64bit OS at all. They just want it because 64
is a bigger number than 32.

> > So overall, the ROI for Novell to develop a client
> > for a small and obviously not very long-living intermediate platform is
> > just not worth it.

>
> Novell is no stranger to wasting money on stillborn or abandoned projects.


Agreed.

> Just ask all the people who bought into Branch Office and border manager.


Border Manager is a very bad example. It exists for over 10 years, is
very successful, and still alive and kicking with at least one more
version to come. NBO is a good one though, and I can come up with
minimum a dozen more.

CU,
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> Not surprisingly, I agree. 😉
>
>

Right <smile>

Again, my concern is not with the from (NetWare) to (SuSE) bit, it is
with the road between the two. I see Novell as not making that road
smooth enough to encourage the transition.




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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

Barry,

> Personally, I'd love to see Novell get users in the process for a
> Client 64 for Vista. I'm not real thrilled with a 'wait until
> Microsoft releases it, then we will start' approach (and I don't know
> that this is what Novell is thinking about).


During the development of a client for XP, Novell got repeatedly screwed
by MS changing the network API's and interfaces, causing Novell to have
to throw out huge amounts of development time and start over again.
They're not going to go throw the same pointless waste of time again,
and will wait until the API's and interfaces for Vista are locked down
before committing development resources to it.


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Re: 64 bit Novell Client for windows???

Hamish Speirs wrote:

> Barry,
>
>> Personally, I'd love to see Novell get users in the process for a
>> Client 64 for Vista. I'm not real thrilled with a 'wait until
>> Microsoft releases it, then we will start' approach (and I don't know
>> that this is what Novell is thinking about).

>
> During the development of a client for XP, Novell got repeatedly screwed
> by MS changing the network API's and interfaces, causing Novell to have
> to throw out huge amounts of development time and start over again.
> They're not going to go throw the same pointless waste of time again,
> and will wait until the API's and interfaces for Vista are locked down
> before committing development resources to it.
>
>


Here here, I applaud Novell for not playing that game. As far as I can tell
the new Vista is nothing most users or companies will need out of the gate
so I don't see the problem in waiting.

tim
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