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DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Hello,
I work for a local school system. We use Novell Netware 6.5 for our network, but we are going to be switching to a mixed Netware/Windows environment.

We have a Windows 2003 Enterprise server setup with its own DNS that we want teachers to log into instead of Novell. We are leaving the students on the Novell Server. Our teachers have the Novell Client on their laptops.

Our goal is to have them check "Workstation Only" on the client, bypass Novell's DNS and automatically pickup Windows' DNS without having to put it in under Windows TCP/IP settings. The reason for that is that the teachers take their laptops home and use the Internet with their service providers and we don't want them to have to go into those settings to make changes.

Any help in this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Patrick
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Why would you have Seperate Novell and Windows DNS?
You should only have one DNS Setup.
Deliver the Info via DHCP and there is no need to change anything regardless
of where folks take their laptop.

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"pjudydcps" <pjudydcps@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hello,
> I work for a local school system. We use Novell Netware 6.5 for our
> network, but we are going to be switching to a mixed Netware/Windows
> environment.
>
> We have a Windows 2003 Enterprise server setup with its own DNS that we
> want teachers to log into instead of Novell. We are leaving the students
> on the Novell Server. Our teachers have the Novell Client on their
> laptops.
>
> Our goal is to have them check "Workstation Only" on the client, bypass
> Novell's DNS and automatically pickup Windows' DNS without having to put
> it in under Windows TCP/IP settings. The reason for that is that the
> teachers take their laptops home and use the Internet with their
> service providers and we don't want them to have to go into those
> settings to make changes.
>
> Any help in this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
>
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Craig Wilson;1544776 wrote:
Why would you have Seperate Novell and Windows DNS?
You should only have one DNS Setup.
Deliver the Info via DHCP and there is no need to change anything regardless
of where folks take their laptop.

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Hi Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
How would we be able to deliver the info via DHCP?
DNS/DHCP are on the same Novell Server. The reason we assumed we needed to DNS setups is because we may migrate in the future from Novell to AD. The Windows workstations cannot find the Novell DNS which is why we created the Windows DNS. As a result we have a very slow login process.

I have to admit that we are not Netware experts, so we are a little iffy about how to do a lot of complex tasks in the server. I have been reading a lot of documents that say to do certain tasks but they do not say how.

I also wanted to ask if we need to change anything in our router or firewall.

Thanks again for your help.

Patrick
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

DNS is simply a Service that resolves Servers/Resources to IP Addresses.

It does not really matter if your DNS is on a NetWare Box, Windows Box, or
Linux box to Run either NetWare or AD.
In many large companies you will almost always find a Mix of NetWare,
eDirectory, Windows, and ADS.
DNS in those cases is generally run on a Linux box since Linux tends to be a
favorite of many Physcial Networking Departments.

I think there may be some confusion over some terms.
Workstations don't "Find" DNS.
It's either statically configured on the PC's IP stack or it's delivered via
DHCP.


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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Craig Wilson;1545171 wrote:
DNS is simply a Service that resolves Servers/Resources to IP Addresses.

It does not really matter if your DNS is on a NetWare Box, Windows Box, or
Linux box to Run either NetWare or AD.
In many large companies you will almost always find a Mix of NetWare,
eDirectory, Windows, and ADS.
DNS in those cases is generally run on a Linux box since Linux tends to be a
favorite of many Physcial Networking Departments.

I think there may be some confusion over some terms.
Workstations don't "Find" DNS.
It's either statically configured on the PC's IP stack or it's delivered via
DHCP.


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Thanks for the information. Could you tell us how we would deliver the DNS information via DHCP? Is there a certain area in the DNS/DHCP console where we need to put the information?

Thanks.

Patrick
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

pjudydcps;1545201 wrote:
Craig Wilson;1545171 wrote:
DNS is simply a Service that resolves Servers/Resources to IP Addresses.

It does not really matter if your DNS is on a NetWare Box, Windows Box, or
Linux box to Run either NetWare or AD.
In many large companies you will almost always find a Mix of NetWare,
eDirectory, Windows, and ADS.
DNS in those cases is generally run on a Linux box since Linux tends to be a
favorite of many Physcial Networking Departments.

I think there may be some confusion over some terms.
Workstations don't "Find" DNS.
It's either statically configured on the PC's IP stack or it's delivered via
DHCP.


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Thanks for the information. Could you tell us how we would deliver the DNS information via DHCP? Is there a certain area in the DNS/DHCP console where we need to put the information?

Thanks.

Patrick


Ok. We found out where to put the DHCP information. We put the Windows Server address in the Domain Name Server value beneath the Netware 6.5 server address. The problem we have now is that it takes forever to log in. It takes forever for it to get past the loading and applying personal settings. Any idea on what is causing that?

Thanks.

Patrick
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Patrick,

>> Ok. We found out where to put the DHCP information. We put the
>> Windows Server address in the Domain Name Server value beneath the
>> Netware 6.5 server address. The problem we have now is that it takes
>> forever to log in. It takes forever for it to get past the loading
>> and applying personal settings. Any idea on what is causing that?


The Novell client will be trying to resolve tree/server names via DNS.
Either populate the DNS server with the tree and the Netware servers, or
(preferably) disable DNS as a name resolver for the Novell Client.

Go into the Client Properties -> Protocol Preferences -> IP and select
just SLP and NDS

H.
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

I concur.

A basic rule I try to follow is to not allow the Novell Client to resolve
Windows Devices and to not allow MS Client to resolve NetWare resouces.
There is always some type of delay if the Novell and MS Clients need to
figure out if a remote device is Windows or NetWare.

By ensuring the clients don't resolve the wrong type of device, you
generally eliminate that delay.
One quick easy setting to help delays is "Name Resolution Timeout=1" in the
advanced setting of the client.

There are tons more, but that one helps alot and is rather simple.

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"Hamish Speirs" <hamish@haitch.net> wrote in message
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> Patrick,
>
>>> Ok. We found out where to put the DHCP information. We put the
>>> Windows Server address in the Domain Name Server value beneath the
>>> Netware 6.5 server address. The problem we have now is that it takes
>>> forever to log in. It takes forever for it to get past the loading
>>> and applying personal settings. Any idea on what is causing that?

>
> The Novell client will be trying to resolve tree/server names via DNS.
> Either populate the DNS server with the tree and the Netware servers, or
> (preferably) disable DNS as a name resolver for the Novell Client.
>
> Go into the Client Properties -> Protocol Preferences -> IP and select
> just SLP and NDS
>
> H.



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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Craig Wilson;1545374 wrote:
I concur.

A basic rule I try to follow is to not allow the Novell Client to resolve
Windows Devices and to not allow MS Client to resolve NetWare resouces.
There is always some type of delay if the Novell and MS Clients need to
figure out if a remote device is Windows or NetWare.

By ensuring the clients don't resolve the wrong type of device, you
generally eliminate that delay.
One quick easy setting to help delays is "Name Resolution Timeout=1" in the
advanced setting of the client.

There are tons more, but that one helps alot and is rather simple.

--
Craig Wilson - MCNE, MCSE, CCNA
Novell Support Forums Volunteer Sysop

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Suggestions/Opinions/Statements made by me are solely my own.
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"Hamish Speirs" <hamish@haitch.net> wrote in message
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> Patrick,
>
>>> Ok. We found out where to put the DHCP information. We put the
>>> Windows Server address in the Domain Name Server value beneath the
>>> Netware 6.5 server address. The problem we have now is that it takes
>>> forever to log in. It takes forever for it to get past the loading
>>> and applying personal settings. Any idea on what is causing that?

>
> The Novell client will be trying to resolve tree/server names via DNS.
> Either populate the DNS server with the tree and the Netware servers, or
> (preferably) disable DNS as a name resolver for the Novell Client.
>
> Go into the Client Properties -> Protocol Preferences -> IP and select
> just SLP and NDS
>
> H.



I appreciate all of the help and information. This is definitely a learning experience. It has been a headache for us because we sort of inherited a network that no one knows virtually anything about.

I haven't had a chance to try what you both mention. I'm still looking into how to have the MS Client pick up the MS DNS as primary and the Novell Client pick up the Novell DNS as primary. The reason we have to DNS setups is that the Novell one will most likely be switched off in the next few months. We are weighing our options of either going all MS or going to SUSE Novell.

I have not had a chance to try the Novell Client settings you mentioned. However, I did observe this. The machines with the Novell Client log in instantly even with "Workstation Only" checked. The machines that do not have the Novell Client take a long time to log in. I am assuming that is because of a registry setting when the Novell Client is installed. Is there a setting in the MS Client that I have to change? I just hope we can have everything log in correctly soon.

Thanks.

Patrick
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

pjudydcps,

> I haven't had a chance to try what you both mention. I'm still looking
> into how to have the MS Client pick up the MS DNS as primary and the
> Novell Client pick up the Novell DNS as primary.


You don't. The workstation TCP stacks gets the DNS server - and the
client uses it - you can't really deliver two different DNS systems by
DHCP. Additionally, you don't really want to be running two DNS systems.
Decide which one, MS of NetWare, you want to be the DNS server, and
setup all hosts on that system.

> The reason we have to
> DNS setups is that the Novell one will most likely be switched off in
> the next few months. We are weighing our options of either going all MS
> or going to SUSE Novell.


Go SuSE 🙂

> I have not had a chance to try the Novell Client settings you
> mentioned. However, I did observe this. The machines with the Novell
> Client log in instantly even with "Workstation Only" checked. The
> machines that do not have the Novell Client take a long time to log in.
> I am assuming that is because of a registry setting when the Novell
> Client is installed.


No - its more likely its the DNS - the Novell clients are able to
resolve the servers they're authenticating to, the Windows only
workstations aren't getting their hosts via the DNS and are having
trouble locating hosts.

> Is there a setting in the MS Client that I have to
> change? I just hope we can have everything log in correctly soon.


Just get everything into one DNS, distribute that via DHCP. Once you've
got DNS working properly, get SLP setup, and remove DNS as a Novell
resolver.

H.
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Haitch;1545977 wrote:
pjudydcps,
Just get everything into one DNS, distribute that via DHCP. Once you've
got DNS working properly, get SLP setup, and remove DNS as a Novell
resolver.

H.


Thanks again for the help. Could you tell us how to do that?

Patrick
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

He said that in his previous post:

"Go into the Client Properties -> Protocol Preferences -> IP and select
just SLP and NDS"
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Patrick,
>> Just get everything into one DNS, distribute that via DHCP. Once
>> you've
>> got DNS working properly, get SLP setup, and remove DNS as a Novell
>> resolver.
>>
>> H.

>
> Thanks again for the help. Could you tell us how to do that?


Which part ?

- Distribute DNS via DHCP ?
- Setup SLP ?
- Remove DNS as a Novell Client Resolver ?

H.
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

>
> Thanks again for the help. Could you tell us how to do that?
>
> Patrick
>

Better way:

Have the Windows DNS server's settings changed: use a Netware DNS as the
default forwarder , and so Windows clients will get their DNS info even if
DHCP assigns them to query the Netware boxes.

Cheers

Albert
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Re: DNS in mixed Netware/Windows environment???

Thanks for the information Albert.

Since it is Summer, we will probably start reimaging the laptops without the Novell Client and actually shut down the Novell server. It looks like we are going all AD now.

I have been trying to find the Netware DNS record to import into AD. I read that in Netware 5 that there was a database file under sys/etc/dns that you could copy into another server, but that file does not seem to be in that location on a Netware 6.5 box. Does this mean we will have to manually type in all of the DNS entries for our other servers, printers, access points, etc. that we have in the DNS/DHCP console into AD? Thanks again.

Patrick
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