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Fundamental migration question

I'm looking at having to migrate a business that relies on
Netware-shared/based apps for almost everything they do, and I would
like some input on what kind of problems I might face. For example,
some apps run from the server but are developed in FoxPro, some Access,
and some are custom programs designed to run from the server but
executing on the Windows workstation.

It seems to me that we've had to sometimes make adjustments for running
from Netware servers instead of Windows, to start with.

Is it reasonable to hope that all these apps will work under SUSE
instead? I realize I'll have to do some extensive testing but I'd
certainly like to know what I'm getting into, and whether others have
hit massive app issues or have found the transition transparent.

Thanks. The site also does extensive Zenworks app deployment, and I'm
presuming that will go relatively smoothly, but the custom apps concern me.

-- DE
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Re: Fundamental migration question

If you are migrating to OES2 Linux migration should go quite smooth. Most services you are running on Netware will run in the same fashion on OES2L (apart from services no longer supported like NDPS).
ZenWorks 7 and up runs perfectly well on OES2/SLES.

One thing to look at is if you have 3d party applications, databases or other running on Netware... if so, are there also versions for Linux or can they be transfered to a Windows application server?

Some more specifics on which services you need to migrate on how you are planning to do this would be good to know 🙂

Cheers,
Willem
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Re: Fundamental migration question

magic31 wrote:
> If you are migrating to OES2 Linux migration should go quite smooth.
> Most services you are running on Netware will run in the same fashion on
> OES2L (apart from services no longer supported like NDPS).
> ZenWorks 7 and up runs perfectly well on OES2/SLES.


Oh yeah, I forgot I have to upgrade NDPS to iprint first, right?
>
> One thing to look at is if you have 3d party applications, databases or
> other running on Netware... if so, are there also versions for Linux or
> can they be transfered to a Windows application server?


Yeah, that's the problem. I wonder if Novell appreciates just how many
customers they've driven away by completely dropping Netware (which
works so well for so much.) Once you've got to have one Windows server,
it's very likely that the migration to become all-Windows is going to start.

And this site has several apps that are developed by various vendors,
database apps custom done in Foxpro, Progress, etc.

*sigh*
>
> Some more specifics on which services you need to migrate on how you
> are planning to do this would be good to know 🙂


I'm sure not planning to migrate without going through the details; I
was just looking for a general feel about it, esp. as I haven't done the
Zenworks upgrade and I thought that 10 still would run on Netware. Not
having that does have a serious effect on my timing for things.

*sigh* again

[I won't rant, but I've always felt that Novell hated their own stuff
even more than everyone stuck in the Windows world, and that its
management is astoundingly deft at finding ways to kill customer loyalty
completely. I mean, Netware -works-, so .. you know, they're dropping it!]

*sigh*

Thanks.
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Knowledge Partner
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Re: Fundamental migration question

DE;1945089 wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot I have to upgrade NDPS to iprint first, right?

Correct, or leave a Netware server running, virtual or physical, to keep servicing NDPS until you've had the time to migrate from it.


DE;1945089 wrote:
Yeah, that's the problem. I wonder if Novell appreciates just how many customers they've driven away by completely dropping Netware (which works so well for so much.) Once you've got to have one Windows server, it's very likely that the migration to become all-Windows is going to start.

I understand the sentiment that it's a shame Netware isn't developed anymore.. But having Windows servers enter your infra has been going on long before the plug was pulled on Netware. Also Netware, as is, has had it's glory time. Linux on the other hand holds the future and is a good alternative to Windows.

DE;1945089 wrote:

And this site has several apps that are developed by various vendors,
database apps custom done in Foxpro, Progress, etc.

But the impact on this when migrating to Linux depends on if the applications are/where only being hosted on the Netware server (file servicing) or actually also run on Netware (loaded NLM's/Java etc..).
Many vendors also have a Linux offer.. and again, it's still possible to keep using Netware. It's just not a long term solution.

DE;1945089 wrote:

... I was just looking for a general feel about it, esp. as I haven't done the
Zenworks upgrade and I thought that 10 still would run on Netware. Not
having that does have a serious effect on my timing for things.
... I mean, Netware -works-, so ..


Linux also works... I know the drill of having to get your head around OES2 and Linux when coming from Netware.
The good is that many things are not as hard as they first seem and Linux absolutely has it's value over Netware. There are enough things I love about Linux that where lacking in Netware.

All I can say is: try chopping up the migration into small bits, each bit set up so each one can be done independently of the other.

You can post each plans/idea here to see if others have good tips and heads up notes for you.

Cheers,
Willem
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Re: Fundamental migration question

The NetWare > Linux OES migration is pretty well established and the migration in tools in SP2 are pretty robust. There are any number of well written guides and best practice documents out there.

ZENworks is not quite as simple. Moving to ZCM on SLES is something you want to be familiar with before doing it on a production system. Some of my clients have opted to install ZEN7 components in SLES/OES to delay the implementation of ZCM so that they can get some practical experience.

Although ZEN10 has some cool features, most ZEN7 shops experience some growing pains. The real driving reason for ZEN10 is Windows 7 (or Vista?). If this client doesn't have immediate plans to upgrade from XP, it's worth considering ZEN7 in the Linux OES environment while you work with them to learn the ins and outs of ZCM.

You're right about iPrint. Although I am an old school NetWare guy, and I still miss the simplicity of NDPS, iPrint is a pretty stable platform and is actually pretty easy once you get the hand of it.

The biggest pain point for clients I've seen are:
* Getting used to iManager instead of ConsoleOne and the old DNS/DHCP console
* Getting used to the Linux bash prompt.

For the end user though, there's little different in the way they work. The one point of impact for you is the databases you reference. Access and FoxPro databases simple run on a mapped network drive or UNC path and probably won't require much in the way of reconfiguration. Any legacy app that uses bTrieve or MYsql will require some special expertise. Odds are, though that any databases are jsut shared files on an NCP volume.

The area you didn't mention is backup. Whatever the tape backup solution on NetWare, your life will change when you move to SLES OES. Don't wait until after the migration to think about this one. It's a great time to switch to a NAS based disk-to-disk or offsite backup.

This is also a great time to introduce virtualization either using XEN or VMware.

Good luck!
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skapanen2 Absent Member.
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Re: Fundamental migration question

DE wrote:
>
>> One thing to look at is if you have 3d party applications, databases or
>> other running on Netware... if so, are there also versions for Linux or
>> can they be transfered to a Windows application server?

>
> And this site has several apps that are developed by various vendors,
> database apps custom done in Foxpro, Progress, etc.


If those are Netware only apps, you can setup new OES2 box use
file/print services from there and run Netware virtualized over that
with XEN, totally supported solution.
but ofcoz, if you look ahead, eventually you have to find solutions that
runs on different platform than Netware.

-sk

HAMK University - OES, NW, GW, NCS, eDir, Zen, IDM, NSL - www.hamk.fi
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