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How to Move User Accounts

I have my old novell 6.5 server using TFS on the volumes and we have out grown the disk space on all the drives. I need to move the users from the old server to the new server which is still Novell 6.5 but the new volumes are going to NSS any suggestions where to start. Its been years since I did a user migration I went from 5.1 to 6.5. So I am very nervous about the move.
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Re: How to Move User Accounts

Does your new server already exist or is it a server that still needs to
be installed? If the new server is a server that needs to be installed and
that will completely replace the old one, then the best option is to use
the Migration Wizard. Best practices for using the Migration Wizard can be
found here:

http://wiki.novell.com/index.php/Migration_Wizard

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Re: How to Move User Accounts

On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:16:01 +0000, ad1082 wrote:

> I have my old novell 6.5 server using TFS on the volumes and we have out
> grown the disk space on all the drives. I need to move the users from
> the old server to the new server which is still Novell 6.5 but the new
> volumes are going to NSS any suggestions where to start.


Novell Storage Manager
(http://www.novell.com/products/storagemanager/)

Set it up. Set up your policy as to where the users' home directories
should be located. Tell it to backfill the existing users. It will handle
the rest for you.


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Re: How to Move User Accounts

The new server is up and is sitting in the tree with the old server. But it is not in use other than when I log into it. So the Migration Wizard would still be the way to go?

Marcel_Cox;1794662 wrote:
Does your new server already exist or is it a server that still needs to
be installed? If the new server is a server that needs to be installed and
that will completely replace the old one, then the best option is to use
the Migration Wizard. Best practices for using the Migration Wizard can be
found here:

Migration Wizard - CoolSolutionsWiki

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ad1082 wrote:

>So the Migration Wizard
>would still be the way to go?


Only if you are prepared to wipe out your new server and reinstall it for
use in the migration. With the migration wizard, the destination server
will take the identity of the source server and so you have a one to one
replacement where you don't need to update scripts or home directories.

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Re: How to Move User Accounts

In using the migration wizard you state that it will completly take over the identity of the source server meaning that it will use the same IP and DNS name? After the migration would I be able to change the destination servers IP and DNS? And would the old server remain in tact so that until the destination server is stable my users could still log into the original server an work? Is there another method to consider? Because what I would like to do is move the users over and then use the old server, the destinaton server and a 3rd server for clusteringfurther down the line.
Thank you for your patience I know this is a lot to ask.
Marcel_Cox;1794905 wrote:
ad1082 wrote:

>So the Migration Wizard
>would still be the way to go?


Only if you are prepared to wipe out your new server and reinstall it for
use in the migration. With the migration wizard, the destination server
will take the identity of the source server and so you have a one to one
replacement where you don't need to update scripts or home directories.

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Re: How to Move User Accounts

A couple of things:

- the migration wizard approach is what you would want to do is if you
don't want to change anything in your architecture (except maybe the OS
version and the volume type). In that case, after the migration, the old
server is definitely disabled (and cannot be reenabled unless nuking the
new server or giving the old server a different NDS identity) and the new
server has taken the exact identity of the old one. This is the quickest
and the most transparent way to move to a different server. However this
is not the way to proceed if you want to do some serious remodeling of
your structure or if you want to move to a cluster.

Now if you want to move to a cluster, this is an important aspect of the
scenario that completely changes the way you should proceed.
In this case, you should proceed as follows:

- start by installing the cluster into your tree. In your case, that means
you create a cluster from your new server plus the third server you are
talking about. Make sure your cluster resources exsit before you start
migrating to the cluster

- migrate all data and services to the cluster and change your scripts and
everything else that needs to be changed to point to the cluster
resources. This can be done with the Consolidation tool (the other
functionality of the migration and consolidation toolkit) for file and
printer migration. Any potential other services need to be migrated
manually and your scripts also need to be changed manually

- remove your old server from the tree

- reinstall your old server as a node of the cluster

It is very important that you install the cluster before migrating to it
and that you don't first migrate your data to a server before turning it
into a cluster. Turnign an existing server into a cluster is an operation
that creates you a lot of needless work and makes your life needlessly
complicated and is not transparent for the users and can create a lot of
problems afterwords if users have references to physical nodes of the
cluster instead of the cluster resources. Installing a cluster from
scratch is the recommended way to handle clusters.

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Re: How to Move User Accounts

This is helpful thank you.
Marcel_Cox;1795375 wrote:
A couple of things:

- the migration wizard approach is what you would want to do is if you
don't want to change anything in your architecture (except maybe the OS
version and the volume type). In that case, after the migration, the old
server is definitely disabled (and cannot be reenabled unless nuking the
new server or giving the old server a different NDS identity) and the new
server has taken the exact identity of the old one. This is the quickest
and the most transparent way to move to a different server. However this
is not the way to proceed if you want to do some serious remodeling of
your structure or if you want to move to a cluster.

Now if you want to move to a cluster, this is an important aspect of the
scenario that completely changes the way you should proceed.
In this case, you should proceed as follows:

- start by installing the cluster into your tree. In your case, that means
you create a cluster from your new server plus the third server you are
talking about. Make sure your cluster resources exsit before you start
migrating to the cluster

- migrate all data and services to the cluster and change your scripts and
everything else that needs to be changed to point to the cluster
resources. This can be done with the Consolidation tool (the other
functionality of the migration and consolidation toolkit) for file and
printer migration. Any potential other services need to be migrated
manually and your scripts also need to be changed manually

- remove your old server from the tree

- reinstall your old server as a node of the cluster

It is very important that you install the cluster before migrating to it
and that you don't first migrate your data to a server before turning it
into a cluster. Turnign an existing server into a cluster is an operation
that creates you a lot of needless work and makes your life needlessly
complicated and is not transparent for the users and can create a lot of
problems afterwords if users have references to physical nodes of the
cluster instead of the cluster resources. Installing a cluster from
scratch is the recommended way to handle clusters.

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