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I find it odd...

That Novell is still distributing Netware patches in only .exe format.
I thought we were supposed to be using Linux clients? <shrug> Off to
VMware I go.
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Re: I find it odd...

Actually, I'd find it odd to see the shift in Netware OS or Windows
clients updates in patches to Linux files -- that would make it more
complicated for the apparently less than .01% of the computing world
which still uses oddities like Windows and NetWare, eh?


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Re: I find it odd...

Barry Schnur wrote:

> Actually, I'd find it odd to see the shift in Netware OS or Windows
> clients updates in patches to Linux files -- that would make it more
> complicated for the apparently less than .01% of the computing world
> which still uses oddities like Windows and NetWare, eh?
>
>


Just zip the darn things, not stuff them in a proprietary
exe format. Other sites offer a choice of exe or zip format.
I don't see the big deal in offering both, particularly for a
company looking to extend its desktop presence.
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Re: I find it odd...

> Just zip the darn things, not stuff them in a proprietary
> exe format. Other sites offer a choice of exe or zip format.
> I don't see the big deal in offering both, particularly for a
> company looking to extend its desktop presence.


OK -- I can accept the alternative of ZIP -- but I thought files
*specific* to SuSE systems were not in EXE files, but instead were in
RPM or similar Linux format...


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Re: I find it odd...

Barry Schnur wrote:

> OK -- I can accept the alternative of ZIP -- but I thought files
> specific to SuSE systems were not in EXE files, but instead were in
> RPM or similar Linux format...


Patched a linux server today with eDirectory 8.7.3.0 to 8.7.3.7 and
that was tgz file...so not sure what the problem is in my opinion...


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Re: I find it odd...

> OK -- I can accept the alternative of ZIP -- but I thought files
> *specific* to SuSE systems were not in EXE files, but instead were in
> RPM or similar Linux format...


They are, but you can put an rpm in a zip as well. The idea here is
if I want to patch my Netware box, I shouldn't need a Windows PC. If the
files were packaged in zip, I could uncompress them from my Linux machine.
Oh I could probably make the exe work with wine, haven't tested it, because
it's a kludge to a problem that shouldn't be in this case.
The only negative is you don't get the ARJ verification, but there's
probably a way to provide similar using MD5 sum. I think zip's under
windows get checked by the zip programs.

Point is if you are selling client software...you need to support the
platform with your own products. It's just common sense. I realize they
are early in the game with the whole integration, so I'll give them slack
on that, but this is an issue that needs to be looked at.
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Re: I find it odd...

>
> Point is if you are selling client software...you need to support the
> platform with your own products. It's just common sense. I realize they
> are early in the game with the whole integration, so I'll give them slack
> on that, but this is an issue that needs to be looked at.


Just for clarification here is the problem summarized:

Download patch for Netware 6.5 to a Linux PC.
The file is packaged in .exe format.
There is not a native way to unpack .exe under Linux.
If the Netware patch files were packaged with .zip in addition to .exe
you could then open the file under linux...or windows. Personally seems to
me like .exe has seen it's day at Novell since it's not cross platform for
open systems.


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Re: I find it odd...

Ah -- you know, it wouldn't surprise me to see Novell skip ZIP as an
option for force anyone updating NetWare to have a SuSE workstation --
Novell sure seems focused on SuSE as its replacement for NetWare.

I think there were internal discussions regarding use of ZIP and the
internal folks were concerned about copyright issues -- might have been
years ago.


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Re: I find it odd...

In novell.support.netware.6x.install-upgrade Barry Schnur <BSchnur@cox.net> wrote:
> Ah -- you know, it wouldn't surprise me to see Novell skip ZIP as an
> option for force anyone updating NetWare to have a SuSE workstation --
> Novell sure seems focused on SuSE as its replacement for NetWare.


..tgz would be an option, and supportable.



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Re: I find it odd...

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:45:48 -0800, GofBorg <G@ofBorg.com> wrote:

>> OK -- I can accept the alternative of ZIP -- but I thought files
>> *specific* to SuSE systems were not in EXE files, but instead were in
>> RPM or similar Linux format...

>
> They are, but you can put an rpm in a zip as well. The idea here is
> if I want to patch my Netware box, I shouldn't need a Windows PC. If the
> files were packaged in zip, I could uncompress them from my Linux
> machine.


You might check on Forge to see if there is an unpacker that runs on Linux
that can read the .exe; I know that several people have commented that
they are using such tools on Windows because they like the tools better
than running the exe directly.

These executable archives have a particular form, where the code portion
is essentially a preamble to a regular compressed archive, and parsing off
and throwing away the code section should be no big deal for any utility
that can read ARJ files (and it can probably handle ZIP files, too).

/dps

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Re: I find it odd...

> .tgz would be an option, and supportable.
>

Fair point.


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Re: I find it odd...

>There is not a native way to unpack .exe under Linux.

Yes there is, UNARJ. I use it every day on SuSE 9.3.
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