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Novell Client for Vista Tech Preview Comments

It is interesting that there was so much interest in Novell releasing a
Client for Vista, but now that the Tech Preview version is available there
has been very little said about it. I'm would like to hear everyone's
comments about the Vista Client, or is nobody using it yet.
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>>> On 08.02.2007 at 02:20, in message
<45CA1878.6447.0025.0@email.address>,
Ken Millett<no@email.address> wrote:
> It is interesting that there was so much interest in Novell releasing a
> Client for Vista, but now that the Tech Preview version is available
> there
> has been very little said about it.


Actually there is very little to say. I could install it without problems.
The primary login still was MS after the restart.

I could manually login by using the tray icon to my server by entering an
ip-address.
*MY* login script ran fine. Look and feel is the same as the current
version.

Maybe the client has some major internal reworks. On the outside almost
nothing has changed. The readme indicates some issues -which is not a big
problem for us, because Vista itself is IMO not ready for production use.

Georg

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I found the client installed and ran.
Windows explorer opened novell drives very slowly the first time you
accessed them but after the this it was ok (win indexing?). I'm used to
the zen single sign on so having to enter a netware and windows user was
a bit different.

Aero (a chocolate bar with holes in it in the uk) worked fine on my amd
4000 x2 with nvidia 430 & 1 mb.

For a tech demo from Novell I was impressed with the initial features it
offers, very close to the xp client.

After a day of vista it got wiped from my system as I came to the
conclusion that the only thing it can do that xp can't is have fancy
windows which I would switch off if vista ever used in our production
environment.

Out of suse 10.2 and vista I think suse looks more impressive and
polished as an OS, unfortunately the only os we will every upgrade to
will be vista.

IanM
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There is a known issue with not being able to run .exe files off a
server if it requires access control elevation.

So for me it is nice to toy with but as we warned, not really much more
than public proof Novell is indeed working on a Client for Vista 🙂

Ken Millett wrote:
> It is interesting that there was so much interest in Novell releasing a
> Client for Vista, but now that the Tech Preview version is available there
> has been very little said about it. I'm would like to hear everyone's
> comments about the Vista Client, or is nobody using it yet.



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> It is interesting that there was so much interest in Novell releasing a
> Client for Vista, but now that the Tech Preview version is available there
> has been very little said about it. I'm would like to hear everyone's
> comments about the Vista Client, or is nobody using it yet.


I did find it interesting when it got quite quiet regarding Vista
support.

The client sort of works, it isn't integrated into the Vista login yet,
so you need to log in manually after logging into Vista. It does
handle drive mapping and I've set it up on both Vista 64 and 32
workstations for tests.

Some others have reported issues -- but at this point, that is to be
expected.


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> Actually there is very little to say. I could install it without problems.
> The primary login still was MS after the restart.
>
> I could manually login by using the tray icon to my server by entering an
> ip-address.
> *MY* login script ran fine. Look and feel is the same as the current
> version.


Right -- same here -- on a Vista Ultimate RC1 64 and a Vista Business
32 bit version.

>
> Maybe the client has some major internal reworks. On the outside almost
> nothing has changed. The readme indicates some issues -which is not a big
> problem for us, because Vista itself is IMO not ready for production use.
>

Fair amount of stuff that needs to get done to hook back into Vista. I
suspect in the future there might be stuff to 'surface' some Vista
specific things.

Regarding Vista and production use -- if you want a fun read, check out
the various Microsoft vista newsgroups -- have a good news reader and a
ready hand for the Bozo filter, as there are a LOT of 'If you don't
love Vista you're an idiot' folks battling with a 'If you think Vista
is good you're an idiot' folks.


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> After a day of vista it got wiped from my system as I came to the
> conclusion that the only thing it can do that xp can't is have fancy
> windows which I would switch off if vista ever used in our production
> environment.


Only thing Vista really brings is DRM and anti-piracy features.
It's as boring an OS release as XP was. SuSE, Linux and OSX have much more
going on.

As far as the Vista client goes, well it's something. Forums might be quiet
while we gnaw on this bone for awhile. Since we can't really complain
about it since we are lucky to have anything, I'd suspect those of us that
realize that aren't going to be chiming in anytime soon.





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I wrote the "access denied" issue back on 2/6/07 evidently not many others
are having a problem. Can someone who has things working somewhat nicely
give me a snip of your login script, I'm using "map root" and wondering if
that is the problem.
Thanks.
Justin Fisk
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I'll check and get back to you tonight.


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Novell Client for Vista Tech Preview Comments: no IPX/SPX

> It is interesting that there was so much interest in Novell releasing a
> Client for Vista, but now that the Tech Preview version is available there
> has been very little said about it. I'm would like to hear everyone's
> comments about the Vista Client, or is nobody using it yet.


I'm very disappointed about the new client. There is no IPX/SPX support. So
the client is completely useless for older netware servers. If there is no
change, it will be the mortal blow for our novell servers (and any other
novell software in our company). I hope urgently the IPX/SPX protocol will
supported in future client versions.

Thanks, Holger


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> I'm very disappointed about the new client. There is no IPX/SPX support.

don't blame it on the client! vista is lacking the ipx protocol stack.


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Re: Novell Client for Vista Tech Preview Comments: no IPX/SPX

Vista does not include an IPX Protocol stack.
Novell has NEVER made an IPX Protocol stack for Windows NT, Windows 2K, or
Windows XP.
In the Mid-90s Novell briefly made an IPX stack for Windows 95 but it was
discontinued about 10 years ago.

Protocol stacks are really something left up to the OS.

I would seriously consider upgrading your servers from NetWare 4.11 anyway.

The newer versions of NetWare have NSS volumes which are much nicer, IPrint
for manging printers, and many many other features.



<holger.klein@jat-gmbh.de> wrote in message
news:I4_yh.2686$QP1.1282@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
>> It is interesting that there was so much interest in Novell releasing a
>> Client for Vista, but now that the Tech Preview version is available
>> there
>> has been very little said about it. I'm would like to hear everyone's
>> comments about the Vista Client, or is nobody using it yet.

>
> I'm very disappointed about the new client. There is no IPX/SPX support.
> So
> the client is completely useless for older netware servers. If there is no
> change, it will be the mortal blow for our novell servers (and any other
> novell software in our company). I hope urgently the IPX/SPX protocol
> will
> supported in future client versions.
>
> Thanks, Holger
>
>



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Re: Novell Client for Vista Tech Preview Comments: no IPX/SPX

Hi,

holger.klein@jat-gmbh.de wrote:
>
> I'm very disappointed about the new client. There is no IPX/SPX support. So
> the client is completely useless for older netware servers.


"Older" is nicely put. Over 10 years old.

> If there is no
> change, it will be the mortal blow for our novell servers (and any other
> novell software in our company).


Well, then you better start planning that, as there is no chnace in hell
*Microsoft* will supply an IPX/SPX protocol stack for Vista.

I find it truly amazing that people blame the Vendor of their over a
decade old software (here Novell) that it doesn't support the brand new
shiny new OS of the other Vendor (Microsoft). Why don't you blame
Microsoft that Office95 doesn't run on Vista?

CU,
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I've in stalled the client on my Vista laptop and have had very few
issues. Drives map correctly and I have not had any problem accessing
files on mapped drives. The one thing I would like is to be able to run
ConsoleOne or other mgmt tools that require the client. Since the
client version number is sub version 5, they don't work or won't
install. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with Vista. Didn't think I
would be, but the transition has been fairly painless. We won't be
rolling it out for nine to twelve months, but it's exceeding
expectations at this point.
Sam Linse
Network Systems Admin
Glosten Associates, Inc.


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Re: Novell Client for Vista Tech Preview Comments: no IPX/SPX

I suspect non support for IPX/SPX will remain the case -- to a degree
it makes sense, given the age of the 4.10/4.11/4.2 NetWare platform.
But, as they say, I feel your pain.

That being said, I'm not inclined to recommend Vista for the clients I
have running older NetWare servers anyway -- folks running a 10 year
old server OS are not candidates for running a workstation OS which is
just released.


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