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Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

Hello,

OK, I have a Netware 6.5 SP3 server setup that started about 4 years
ago. At that time (I think NW5.5) you were not allowed to set up your
SYS volume as an NSS drive. So I have 3 servers that have SYS as a
traditional volume.

Is this OK? - I mean, should (and could) I do something to change them to
a NSS volume.

My file server also has an INV volume (traditional) on it. At the time I
was not in charge of managing my servers and was told this volume would
be created for Zenworks Inventory (which I don't use). I wanna delete
this volume and allocate the space to my other pools.

So, my next question is: For the life of me I cannot remember how to do
this stuff with the traditional volumes. Back when all my volumes were
traditional I played a very minor role in server maintenance and
therefore didn't learn much. Now I'm the guy in charge and I like NSS.
(If only I could figure out why iManager isn't working, but that's
another thread).

So - one more question - just to confirm my suspicions - I'm getting a
new server next week and was planning on making my SYS volume an NSS
volume, that's ok, right?

Thanks folks for your assistance.

jeff
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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

> Is this OK? - I mean, should (and could) I do something to change
> them to a NSS volume.


Yes you can. If you have the free space in a pool you can use VCU to
transition it to NSS.

> So, my next question is: For the life of me I cannot remember how to
> do this stuff with the traditional volumes. Back when all my volumes
> were traditional I played a very minor role in server maintenance and
> therefore didn't learn much. Now I'm the guy in charge and I like
> NSS. (If only I could figure out why iManager isn't working, but
> that's another thread).


Have you looked at iManager? Look under storage.

Basically delete the volume, then delete the partition, now you should
be able to add a pool using nssmu at the server console.

> So - one more question - just to confirm my suspicions - I'm getting
> a new server next week and was planning on making my SYS volume an
> NSS volume, that's ok, right?


With NW6.5 you don't have a choice anymore, it will install as NSS.
Which version are you planning on using? If 6.5sp4, please get the new
sp4a patch as it fixes some issues.

--
Timothy Leerhoff
Novell Support Forum Sysop

"I have the body of a god, unfortunately it's Buddah"
- T-shirt quote
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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

Thanks for the quick reply and the great answers. But one question -
what's VCU?

And don't worry - downloading the SP4a overlay CD tonite to use.

> > Is this OK? - I mean, should (and could) I do something to change
> > them to a NSS volume.

>
> Yes you can. If you have the free space in a pool you can use VCU to
> transition it to NSS.
>
> > So, my next question is: For the life of me I cannot remember how to
> > do this stuff with the traditional volumes. Back when all my volumes
> > were traditional I played a very minor role in server maintenance and
> > therefore didn't learn much. Now I'm the guy in charge and I like
> > NSS. (If only I could figure out why iManager isn't working, but
> > that's another thread).

>
> Have you looked at iManager? Look under storage.
>
> Basically delete the volume, then delete the partition, now you should
> be able to add a pool using nssmu at the server console.
>
> > So - one more question - just to confirm my suspicions - I'm getting
> > a new server next week and was planning on making my SYS volume an
> > NSS volume, that's ok, right?

>
> With NW6.5 you don't have a choice anymore, it will install as NSS.
> Which version are you planning on using? If 6.5sp4, please get the new
> sp4a patch as it fixes some issues.
>
> --
> Timothy Leerhoff
> Novell Support Forum Sysop
>
> "I have the body of a god, unfortunately it's Buddah"
> - T-shirt quote


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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.


jstone@-BLCKSPM--BLCKSPM-notredame.org Wrote:
> Hello,
>
> OK, I have a Netware 6.5 SP3 server setup that started about 4 years
> ago. At that time (I think NW5.5) you were not allowed to set up your
> SYS volume as an NSS drive. So I have 3 servers that have SYS as a
> traditional volume.
>
> Is this OK? - I mean, should (and could) I do something to change them
> to
> a NSS volume.
>
> My file server also has an INV volume (traditional) on it. At the time
> I
> was not in charge of managing my servers and was told this volume
> would
> be created for Zenworks Inventory (which I don't use). I wanna delete
> this volume and allocate the space to my other pools.
>
> So, my next question is: For the life of me I cannot remember how to
> do
> this stuff with the traditional volumes. Back when all my volumes
> were
> traditional I played a very minor role in server maintenance and
> therefore didn't learn much. Now I'm the guy in charge and I like
> NSS.
> (If only I could figure out why iManager isn't working, but that's
> another thread).
>
> So - one more question - just to confirm my suspicions - I'm getting a
> new server next week and was planning on making my SYS volume an NSS
> volume, that's ok, right?
>
> Thanks folks for your assistance.
>
> jeff

Timothy:
I believe he said iManager was not working, but couldn't he do this
with NRM too?
Peter


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jstone@-BLCKSPM--BLCKSPM-notredame.org Wrote:
> Thanks for the quick reply and the great answers. But one question -
> what's VCU?
>
> And don't worry - downloading the SP4a overlay CD tonite to use.
>
> > > Is this OK? - I mean, should (and could) I do something to change
> > > them to a NSS volume.

> >
> > Yes you can. If you have the free space in a pool you can use VCU

> to
> > transition it to NSS.
> >
> > > So, my next question is: For the life of me I cannot remember how

> to
> > > do this stuff with the traditional volumes. Back when all my

> volumes
> > > were traditional I played a very minor role in server maintenance

> and
> > > therefore didn't learn much. Now I'm the guy in charge and I like
> > > NSS. (If only I could figure out why iManager isn't working, but
> > > that's another thread).

> >
> > Have you looked at iManager? Look under storage.
> >
> > Basically delete the volume, then delete the partition, now you

> should
> > be able to add a pool using nssmu at the server console.
> >
> > > So - one more question - just to confirm my suspicions - I'm

> getting
> > > a new server next week and was planning on making my SYS volume an
> > > NSS volume, that's ok, right?

> >
> > With NW6.5 you don't have a choice anymore, it will install as NSS.
> > Which version are you planning on using? If 6.5sp4, please get the

> new
> > sp4a patch as it fixes some issues.
> >
> > --
> > Timothy Leerhoff
> > Novell Support Forum Sysop
> >
> > "I have the body of a god, unfortunately it's Buddah"
> > - T-shirt quote

Jstone:
VCU is the "Volume Conversion Utility" to convert Traditional Voklume
to a NSS Volume. You have to have enough space to dreate a duplicate
volume in NSS and the it hides the tradional while yoiu determine if
all is A-OK.
Haven't used it myself, but it is in the works for the near future.
NSS loads soooo much fater than traditional. And i hate vrepair.


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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

> Thanks for the quick reply and the great answers. But one question -
> what's VCU?


Volume Copy Utility. It comes with the system. The command line is:
VCU volume pool

Where volume is the volume to copy, and pool is the destination pool to
copy the volume to.

> And don't worry - downloading the SP4a overlay CD tonite to use.


Super, so am I.

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Timothy Leerhoff
Novell Support Forum Sysop

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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

> VCU is the "Volume Conversion Utility" to convert Traditional Voklume
> to a NSS Volume.


It actually copies the volume and then renames them at the end.

> You have to have enough space to dreate a duplicate
> volume in NSS and the it hides the tradional while yoiu determine if
> all is A-OK.


It doesnot really hide it, just renames the original.

> Haven't used it myself, but it is in the works for the near future.


I have used it quite a few times to move volumes to a different pool.

> NSS loads soooo much fater than traditional.




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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

>
> jstone@-BLCKSPM--BLCKSPM-notredame.org Wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > OK, I have a Netware 6.5 SP3 server setup that started about 4 years
> > ago. At that time (I think NW5.5) you were not allowed to set up your
> > SYS volume as an NSS drive. So I have 3 servers that have SYS as a
> > traditional volume.
> >
> > Is this OK? - I mean, should (and could) I do something to change them
> > to
> > a NSS volume.
> >
> > My file server also has an INV volume (traditional) on it. At the time
> > I
> > was not in charge of managing my servers and was told this volume
> > would
> > be created for Zenworks Inventory (which I don't use). I wanna delete
> > this volume and allocate the space to my other pools.
> >
> > So, my next question is: For the life of me I cannot remember how to
> > do
> > this stuff with the traditional volumes. Back when all my volumes
> > were
> > traditional I played a very minor role in server maintenance and
> > therefore didn't learn much. Now I'm the guy in charge and I like
> > NSS.
> > (If only I could figure out why iManager isn't working, but that's
> > another thread).
> >
> > So - one more question - just to confirm my suspicions - I'm getting a
> > new server next week and was planning on making my SYS volume an NSS
> > volume, that's ok, right?
> >
> > Thanks folks for your assistance.
> >
> > jeff

> Timothy:
> I believe he said iManager was not working, but couldn't he do this
> with NRM too?
> Peter
>
>

I did say iMananger isn't working - and I hate to keep asking (my alphabet
soup ain't what it used to be) - NRM?

Right now I do all my NSS work in "nssmu.nlm".
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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:59:00 -0700, <jstone@notredame.org> wrote:
> I did say iMananger isn't working - and I hate to keep asking (my
> alphabet soup ain't what it used to be) - NRM?
>
> Right now I do all my NSS work in "nssmu.nlm".


NRM is Novell Remote Manager. It's a simplified web-based interface for
managing your server; AIUI, it is the main way of managing traditional
volumes in NW6.5, most of the traditional ways having been obsoleted.

NSSMU is a good tool, but can't do much with traditional volumes.

/dps

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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:12:19 -0700, Dave Schneider
<dave.schneider@emulex.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:59:00 -0700, <jstone@notredame.org> wrote:
>> I did say iMananger isn't working - and I hate to keep asking (my
>> alphabet soup ain't what it used to be) - NRM?
>>
>> Right now I do all my NSS work in "nssmu.nlm".

>
> NRM is Novell Remote Manager. It's a simplified web-based interface for
> managing your server;


You get to NRM by //serverip:8008; it will give you a login screen. An
admin logging in then gets to see the main page, which is usually the
volumes list, and a left column.

> AIUI, it is the main way of managing traditional volumes in NW6.5, most
> of the traditional ways having been obsoleted.


On the left column, under Manage Server, pick "Partition Disks". That
displays a tree of your storage. You cn do things with existing
traditional volumes here. Or you can click on the free space of one of
your drives.

That gives you a page that defaults to doing NSS, but you can select
Traditional on the drop down, and then can create the partition/volume.

>
> NSSMU is a good tool, but can't do much with traditional volumes.


/dps



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Re: Questions with NSS Volumes and Traditional.

> I believe he said iManager

I didn't read that into the original posting. But.....

> was not working, but couldn't he do this with NRM too?


You can also use NoRM (NOvell Remote Manager) to do quite a bit on the
server. though Novell recomends not doing clustering via NoRM anymore.
iManager is the "preferred" utility.

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