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Strange happenings in the file system

Right, this is weird and I mean weird. Somehow a user has found a way to
create files on the server's NSS volumes that are NOT visible in
e-directory. How? You create a file in the directory you can't see it in
e-direcory but you can see it in windows explorer. It's there. Copy the
all the directory's contents only the "visible" files copy. It's like the
only some of the files in the directory have the necessary e-directory
attributes, the others don't but they do have the necessary to be visible
in a normal directory file structure. Any ideas? I need to find a handle
on whats going on NOT a "work around".

Pete

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Re: Strange happenings in the file system

Peter Hickling,
> You create a file in the directory you can't see it in
> e-direcory but you can see it in windows explorer
>

Define "see" you mean in ConsoleOne?

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Gustav,
Yes, you can't see it in ConsoleOne, iManager or any other directory
services based tool that I know of. I didn't think it was possible to
create a file in the file system without creating a corresponding
e-directory object.

Pete

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Sorry Anders not Gustav

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Peter Hickling,
> I didn't think it was possible to
> create a file in the file system without creating a corresponding
> e-directory object.
>

Then it must be a bug in C1. Files are not edirectory objetcs. All C1
does is to browse the filesystem. What version of ConsoleOne? Do they
show up in NWadmin32?

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Anders,
No they don't show up in nwadmin32 or iManager or anything I can find that
accesses the file system via e-directory. So far as e-directory is
concerned the files are not there, they are only visible via windows
explorer and yes they are real enough. I've never seen anything like this
in 15 years of dealing with Netware and NDS, hence my confusion.

Pete

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That's odd - have you tried running the volume check option in DSREPAIR?

>>> Peter Hickling<peter.hickling@nhs.net> 4/25/2007 12:34 PM >>>

Anders,
No they don't show up in nwadmin32 or iManager or anything I can find that
accesses the file system via e-directory. So far as e-directory is
concerned the files are not there, they are only visible via windows
explorer and yes they are real enough. I've never seen anything like this
in 15 years of dealing with Netware and NDS, hence my confusion.

Pete
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Peter Hickling,
> No they don't show up in nwadmin32 or iManager or anything I can find that
> accesses the file system via e-directory. So far as e-directory is
> concerned the files are not there, they are only visible via windows
> explorer and yes they are real enough. I've never seen anything like this
> in 15 years of dealing with Netware and NDS, hence my confusion.
>

But none of these utilities access the file system through edirectory. Does
NDIR find these files?

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
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Re: Strange happenings in the file system

Hi,

Peter Hickling wrote:
>
> Anders,
> No they don't show up in nwadmin32 or iManager or anything I can find that
> accesses the file system via e-directory. So far as e-directory is
> concerned the files are not there,


NOthing and nobody accesses files "via e-directory", and yes, as far as
edirectory is concerned, *no* file exists, as eDir holds absolutely
*zero* information about files.

> they are only visible via windows
> explorer and yes they are real enough. I've never seen anything like this
> in 15 years of dealing with Netware and NDS, hence my confusion.


This sounds like a UTF-8 vs. ASCII decoding issue. ConsoleOne and
Nwadmin use their own, build-in client (simplified) to access the
filesystem, and in both cases that built-in client is unaware of UTF-8.
Hence files that can only be shown in UTF-8, but can not be translated
into ASCII properly will not show in either nwadmin nor consoleone.

You can force them to become visible (UTF-8 chars will be escaped out),
by using the following commend on the server:

NSS /NCPDisplayNonTranslatableNames

CU,
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Re: Strange happenings in the file system

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:34:02 GMT, peter.hickling@nhs.net (Peter
Hickling) wrote:

>Anders,
>No they don't show up in nwadmin32 or iManager or anything I can find that
>accesses the file system via e-directory.


No part of the file system is accessed via eDirectory. The tools you're
referring to (NWAdmin, etc.) may make it appear that you are doing this,
but you aren't.

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Re: Strange happenings in the file system

Peter Hickling wrote:

>they are only visible via windows explorer and yes they are real enough.


dig up a windows 98 CD and install it on an old box or vmware - then try
copying the files and see if they go back to normal

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Re: Strange happenings in the file system

Peter Hickling wrote:

> Somehow a user has found a way to create files on the server's NSS

volumes that are NOT visible in e-directory. How?

So? The Volume object in eDir is simply a representation of the resource
and has no real bearing (except in a very limited and specific situations)
on its visibility vs. a user's right to create files on the volume --
access to a volume is governed by file system trustee rights which are
stored on the said volume's DET and not in DS. So, as long as the user has
Create rights to the volume, they can create files ... they don't need to
see it in eDir or even to have a Volume object in eDir to exist in the
first place ..

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Re: Strange happenings in the file system

All,
Thank you all for your insights / ideas and suggestions. I think I've now
got to the bottom of this. FYI somebody had been sharing the documents via
MS Sharepoint, this in turn appears to have changed the document encoding
to UTF-8, hence why the same user can see the documents on one PC but not
another (different client versions with "Use UTF-8 and NCP's" set to
different values dependent on the default) and ConsoleOne / NWAdmin32 not
seeing them at all! I'm glad to have got to the bottom of this - I was
begining to think that senility had set in prematurely. Normally its a
case of "been there, got the T-shirt", it's worrying when after all this
time somebody manages to dig out a problem I haven't seen before.

Pete


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Re: Strange happenings in the file system

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:49:44 -0700, Peter Hickling
<peter.hickling@nhs.net> wrote:

Thanks for the update!

It's been an interesting thread for at least some of us reading along.

/dps

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