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What Authentication Data to use??

I have installed an OES Linux sp2, but can't seem to get updates. If I
login as root, then run rug act -s 1 mycode myemail@gmail.com it says
"Warning: System could not be activated: Can't connect - Cannot connect
to destination (http://update.novell.com/data/RPC2/redcarpet-client.php).

If I then try with an eval code (but still my email address), I get
System successfully activated. But when I go to YAST to try to get
updates, I've tried my email address and my Novell login ID, with my
Novell login password, and get a username or password error.

So I have two problems: I apparently have a bad activation code, and I
don't know what password they want if it's not my Novell login password.

No systems are showing up (evaluation or otherwise) in my Customer
Center listing. But I do see that I have two Organizations listed --
one with my proper work address, and one with my gmail. The gmail
organization only owns one copy of SLED (I believe from Brainshare)
while the work organization is showing as Entitled to OES, but with no
systems registered.
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Re: What Authentication Data to use??

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:43:59 +0000, Kathryn wrote:

> I have installed an OES Linux sp2, but can't seem to get updates. If I
> login as root, then run rug act -s 1 mycode myemail@gmail.com it says
> "Warning: System could not be activated: Can't connect - Cannot connect to
> destination (http://update.novell.com/data/RPC2/redcarpet-client.php).
>
> If I then try with an eval code (but still my email address), I get System
> successfully activated. But when I go to YAST to try to get updates, I've
> tried my email address and my Novell login ID, with my Novell login
> password, and get a username or password error.
>
> So I have two problems: I apparently have a bad activation code, and I
> don't know what password they want if it's not my Novell login password.
>
> No systems are showing up (evaluation or otherwise) in my Customer Center
> listing. But I do see that I have two Organizations listed -- one with my
> proper work address, and one with my gmail. The gmail organization only
> owns one copy of SLED (I believe from Brainshare) while the work
> organization is showing as Entitled to OES, but with no systems
> registered.



EEEKKK!!! STOP, never never use the YaST update mechanism for OES.
Rug is used to patch OES...
This is how to patch:
http://tinyurl.com/yp2rol

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Mark Robinson
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www.nds8.co.uk
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Mark Robinson wrote:
> EEEKKK!!! STOP, never never use the YaST update mechanism for OES.
> Rug is used to patch OES...
> This is how to patch:
> http://tinyurl.com/yp2rol
>


Thanks Mark. So I'm lucky that the YAST Update doesn't work the way
it's supposed to? I've been reading the OES Administrator's Handbook
and the PDF Install Guide (haven't had time to go through the training
stuff, but both of those official-type books told me to use the YAST
Online Update post-install, and then rug if that didn't work -- I ran
rug with the options listed in the installation manual, and now I can't
find the user that I'd created, but otherwise it seems to have been
successful, albeit non-informative). I had installed from sp2 ISOs and
rug said that it downloaded 413 updates (almost 2 GB over almost 2
hours). That seems like a lot.

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Kathryn wrote:
> Mark Robinson wrote:
>> EEEKKK!!! STOP, never never use the YaST update mechanism for OES.
>> Rug is used to patch OES...
>> This is how to patch:
>> http://tinyurl.com/yp2rol
>>

>
> Thanks Mark. So I'm lucky that the YAST Update doesn't work the way
> it's supposed to? I've been reading the OES Administrator's Handbook
> and the PDF Install Guide (haven't had time to go through the training
> stuff, but both of those official-type books told me to use the YAST
> Online Update post-install, and then rug if that didn't work -- I ran
> rug with the options listed in the installation manual, and now I can't
> find the user that I'd created, but otherwise it seems to have been
> successful, albeit non-informative). I had installed from sp2 ISOs and
> rug said that it downloaded 413 updates (almost 2 GB over almost 2
> hours). That seems like a lot.
>


Seems like about right actually -- lot of updates!

RUG RUG RUG -- nothing else. You can use YAST to install new packages
from the CD though. At least I have. Of course I have also installed new
system software through RUG...

I am running our OES as a file server and and Interbase SQL server
application server -- works fine. Only problem has been the RAID array
barfs regularly on restart. Eventually it seems to re-synch and load.

Multiple cards and Multiple IP addresses seem to confuse LDAP though use
caution in that regard....

Hopefully OES 2 will be better.


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WillR wrote:

> Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
>


Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my maintenance
that I can actually get a server doing useful work). Coming from
NetWare, it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for what I need.
I'm used to installing something and having it just work most of the time.
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:17:12 +0000, Kathryn wrote:

> Mark Robinson wrote:
>> EEEKKK!!! STOP, never never use the YaST update mechanism for OES. Rug
>> is used to patch OES...
>> This is how to patch:
>> http://tinyurl.com/yp2rol
>>
>>

> Thanks Mark. So I'm lucky that the YAST Update doesn't work the way it's
> supposed to? I've been reading the OES Administrator's Handbook and the
> PDF Install Guide (haven't had time to go through the training stuff, but
> both of those official-type books told me to use the YAST Online Update
> post-install, and then rug if that didn't work -- I ran rug with the
> options listed in the installation manual, and now I can't find the user
> that I'd created, but otherwise it seems to have been successful, albeit
> non-informative). I had installed from sp2 ISOs and rug said that it
> downloaded 413 updates (almost 2 GB over almost 2 hours). That seems like
> a lot.


It is quite a lot, but there have been a lot of updates since SP2 launched
in Dec 05!
The TID that I posted shows how to patch rug first. This minimizes the
downloads that you have to do...

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Mark Robinson
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www.nds8.co.uk
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Kathryn wrote:
> WillR wrote:
>
>> Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
>>

>
> Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my maintenance
> that I can actually get a server doing useful work). Coming from
> NetWare, it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for what I need.
> I'm used to installing something and having it just work most of the time.


Wellll.... better than you-know-who. My only server work is backup and
patches. It just runs...

I think it is a matter of familiarity. And since this server requires so
little work in its present form -- I just don't get that familiar.

We are running OES Linux (SP2) on an AMD 64 X2 (ASUS board), 2GB ECC
memory -- needs 4GB, with a 4 drive RAID 5 Array, twin Ethernet D-Link
Web Smart Hub. Interbase DB and Acronis backup.

I quit counting OSes some years ago at about 50 Operating Systems that I
knew or had learned at some time -- including mainframes (the most),
minis(second) and PC's the last -- since there was really only about 6
on Apples and PC compatibles.

I generally like the last one best... if you know what I mean.

Stick with it!


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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:45:55 +0000, Kathryn wrote:

> WillR wrote:
>
>> Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
>>
>>

> Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my maintenance
> that I can actually get a server doing useful work). Coming from NetWare,
> it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for what I need. I'm used to
> installing something and having it just work most of the time.


Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
comparison 🙂

OES 2 is looking much more polished...

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www.nds8.co.uk
One by one the penguins steal my sanity...

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> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
> back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
> comparison 🙂


Actually, it pretty much did just work (from version 2.01 where I
started using it) as long as you followed the directions and knew what
to expect. There weren't things showing up and then disappearing and
maybe coming back, and maybe not (okay 4.01 was a bit of a pain). That
kind of difficulty and instability were reserved for beta software (and
you were told that it was beta). When I was dealing with a free version
of Debian a few years ago, I expected it to be hard to learn, less
documented and maybe a little flaky (so it was just for web stuff that
could go down for a bit and not be horribly missed). Since OES Linux
costs the same as NetWare, I expect that it will be as reliable, as well
documented and include the same features and support Otherwise, it's
not a replacement, and certainly not an upgrade.
Okay, I've been spoiled, I admit it, by the increasing ease of
installation and use of NetWare over the past few versions, so now I'm
old and cranky, and not willing to go back to something as hard as the
first version I ever used.
And being told that it costs more than Windows because it includes the
client licenses isn't useful until actual users can be weaned off
Windows, which will not happen until it's really, really as good and
stable and easy to install, use and manage as Windows XP (because I'm
not doing Vista yet either).

Not a rant, just Friday afternoon, and still no iFolder server to show
my boss. 🙂
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:19:57 -0700, Mark Robinson
<mark.robinson@no.spam.please.nds8.co.uk> wrote:

> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
> back in 3.x, 4.x?


Dunno about 3.x, but there are people who still hate having moved off of
4.x -- bitter comments in all the forums. ;-}

NW hit a rocky spot around 5.0 SPsomething when all the new-fangled stuff
like web servers and java and the like started appearing, and NSS had a
lot of growing pains in NW6.x -- and then there's the memory auto-tune
stuff and ....

> That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
> comparison 🙂
>
> OES 2 is looking much more polished...


A lot more experience in porting the apps now, but then there's the "Let's
start fresh and do a really cool version of XYZ" -- I hear rumors that
some apps hit that fork in the road, which may cause some more growing
pains.

/dps

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:59:05 +0000, Dave Schneider wrote:

> A lot more experience in porting the apps now, but then there's the "Let's
> start fresh and do a really cool version of XYZ" -- I hear rumors that
> some apps hit that fork in the road, which may cause some more growing
> pains.


And a lot more idea of what this Linux stuff is and how it actually works 🙂

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www.nds8.co.uk
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:56:37 +0000, Kathryn wrote:

>> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
>> back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
>> comparison 🙂

>
> Actually, it pretty much did just work (from version 2.01 where I started
> using it) as long as you followed the directions and knew what to expect.
> There weren't things showing up and then disappearing and maybe coming
> back, and maybe not (okay 4.01 was a bit of a pain). That kind of
> difficulty and instability were reserved for beta software (and you were
> told that it was beta). When I was dealing with a free version of Debian
> a few years ago, I expected it to be hard to learn, less documented and
> maybe a little flaky (so it was just for web stuff that could go down for
> a bit and not be horribly missed). Since OES Linux costs the same as
> NetWare, I expect that it will be as reliable, as well documented and
> include the same features and support Otherwise, it's not a replacement,
> and certainly not an upgrade. Okay, I've been spoiled, I admit it, by the
> increasing ease of installation and use of NetWare over the past few
> versions, so now I'm old and cranky, and not willing to go back to
> something as hard as the first version I ever used.
> And being told that it costs more than Windows because it includes the
> client licenses isn't useful until actual users can be weaned off Windows,
> which will not happen until it's really, really as good and stable and
> easy to install, use and manage as Windows XP (because I'm not doing Vista
> yet either).
>
> Not a rant, just Friday afternoon, and still no iFolder server to show my
> boss. 🙂


I dunno, looked pretty like a rant to me 🙂

Yeah, it should be as easy to use as Netware -myself and a colleague spent
3 days ranting at Novell (on their home turf too) back in Oct/Nov last
year. They are very willing to listen and have taken a lot of things on
board. OES works very differently for some things - much easier. Also,
there are some really cool features like Dynamic Storage Technology that
might just make it worth learning 🙂



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Novell Volunteer SysOp
www.nds8.co.uk
One by one the penguins steal my sanity...

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Kathryn wrote:
>> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
>> back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
>> comparison 🙂

>
> Actually, it pretty much did just work (from version 2.01 where I
> started using it) as long as you followed the directions and knew what
> to expect.
> Not a rant, just Friday afternoon, and still no iFolder server to show
> my boss. 🙂


I installed one of the very first NW 2.0 systems (or least a fellow
called Noorda once said so -- indeed he thought it might have been the
first even... they thought of it as the first "real" Netware he said...)

There were a lot of problems -- I can attest to that -- mostly confusion
though. I know I finally gave up calling support after a few -- "we did
not even know that worked..." comments. Not a complaint -- it's just
that sometimes the leading edge is the "bleeding" edge. I know ACCPAC
told me that they only tried the Beta release of Netware 2... and so on
and so on...

As I said before -- the Linux system just works. There are a lot of
things that drive me bats -- but hopefully version 2 _will_ be better.
Or else... 🙂

But _iFolder_ is definitely a PITA. You got that right. I gave up on it.
....And Print Manager Just don't have any more time to ... around with it.

And it is a rant -- but a nice one. 🙂

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Mark Robinson wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:45:55 +0000, Kathryn wrote:
>
>> WillR wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
>>>
>>>

>> Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my maintenance
>> that I can actually get a server doing useful work). Coming from NetWare,
>> it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for what I need. I'm used to
>> installing something and having it just work most of the time.

>
> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
> back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
> comparison 🙂
>
> OES 2 is looking much more polished...
>



Hmmm.. Mark you did not quote _anything_ I said -- careful there...

Or I'll claim you said NT server was better... <evil chuckle>

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On Wed, 02 May 2007 21:42:43 +0000, WillR wrote:

> Mark Robinson wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:45:55 +0000, Kathryn wrote:
>>
>>> WillR wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hopefully OES 2 will be better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hopefully (if it's out long enough before I have to renew my
>>> maintenance that I can actually get a server doing useful work).
>>> Coming from NetWare, it seems much too difficult to be worthwhile for
>>> what I need. I'm used to installing something and having it just work
>>> most of the time.

>>
>> Well, yeah, but NetWare has a loooong history. Did everything just work
>> back in 3.x, 4.x? That's roughly where I would reckon we are in
>> comparison 🙂
>>
>> OES 2 is looking much more polished...
>>
>>

>
> Hmmm.. Mark you did not quote _anything_ I said -- careful there...
>
> Or I'll claim you said NT server was better... <evil chuckle>


Hmm, just how much spam do you want in your inbox??? 🙂

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www.nds8.co.uk
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