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iFolder 3 Backup's

HI,

I have an iFolder 3 Server happily up and running, but can anyone tell me
the best way to back these up? I have purchased Veritas BE for Linux
agent and installed it and I am backing it up to a central windows 2003
backup media server (BE 10d).

I was very impressed that it actually picks up the ifolder storage so you
only have to back that up, but every night it either hangs the backup or
skips hundreds of open files, and I need to reboot both the linux server
and the windows server.

Should I do some sort of Script backup to copy the iFolder directories
into a single tar and then back that up instead. I know it would be good
to create an LVM Snapshot, but as the server is not using LVM's it would
need me to do some resizing of partitions etc to implement this.

Or is there a better way?
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MarkCRobinson Absent Member.
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:21:00 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:

> HI,
>
> I have an iFolder 3 Server happily up and running, but can anyone tell me
> the best way to back these up? I have purchased Veritas BE for Linux agent
> and installed it and I am backing it up to a central windows 2003 backup
> media server (BE 10d).
>
> I was very impressed that it actually picks up the ifolder storage so you
> only have to back that up, but every night it either hangs the backup or
> skips hundreds of open files, and I need to reboot both the linux server
> and the windows server.



Erm, AFAIK, the ifolder server shouldn't be holding the files open. Even
in they are open, the backup agent should be able to take a copy of
whatever is on disk.

We do this very thing using syncsort and can back everything up just fine.
Does the backup manage to back up other parts of the system ok?

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Mark Robinson
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www.nds8.co.uk
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:46 +0000, markr wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:21:00 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>
>> HI,
>>
>> I have an iFolder 3 Server happily up and running, but can anyone tell
>> me the best way to back these up? I have purchased Veritas BE for Linux
>> agent and installed it and I am backing it up to a central windows 2003
>> backup media server (BE 10d).
>>
>> I was very impressed that it actually picks up the ifolder storage so
>> you only have to back that up, but every night it either hangs the
>> backup or skips hundreds of open files, and I need to reboot both the
>> linux server and the windows server.

>
>
> Erm, AFAIK, the ifolder server shouldn't be holding the files open.
> Even in they are open, the backup agent should be able to take a copy of
> whatever is on disk.
>
> We do this very thing using syncsort and can back everything up just
> fine. Does the backup manage to back up other parts of the system ok?


I have only selected the ifolder agent, maybe I should just point to the
underlying directory? Which directory holds these data files?
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MarkCRobinson Absent Member.
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:27:03 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:46 +0000, markr wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:21:00 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>>
>>> HI,
>>>
>>> I have an iFolder 3 Server happily up and running, but can anyone tell
>>> me the best way to back these up? I have purchased Veritas BE for Linux
>>> agent and installed it and I am backing it up to a central windows 2003
>>> backup media server (BE 10d).
>>>
>>> I was very impressed that it actually picks up the ifolder storage so
>>> you only have to back that up, but every night it either hangs the
>>> backup or skips hundreds of open files, and I need to reboot both the
>>> linux server and the windows server.

>>
>>
>> Erm, AFAIK, the ifolder server shouldn't be holding the files open. Even
>> in they are open, the backup agent should be able to take a copy of
>> whatever is on disk.
>>
>> We do this very thing using syncsort and can back everything up just
>> fine. Does the backup manage to back up other parts of the system ok?

>
> I have only selected the ifolder agent, maybe I should just point to the
> underlying directory? Which directory holds these data files?


Try just file based backup

/var/opt/novell/ifolder
or somewhere like that.

Which version?
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Mark Robinson
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:44:00 +0000, markr wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:27:03 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:46 +0000, markr wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:21:00 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI,
>>>>
>>>> I have an iFolder 3 Server happily up and running, but can anyone
>>>> tell me the best way to back these up? I have purchased Veritas BE
>>>> for Linux agent and installed it and I am backing it up to a central
>>>> windows 2003 backup media server (BE 10d).
>>>>
>>>> I was very impressed that it actually picks up the ifolder storage so
>>>> you only have to back that up, but every night it either hangs the
>>>> backup or skips hundreds of open files, and I need to reboot both the
>>>> linux server and the windows server.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erm, AFAIK, the ifolder server shouldn't be holding the files open.
>>> Even in they are open, the backup agent should be able to take a copy
>>> of whatever is on disk.
>>>
>>> We do this very thing using syncsort and can back everything up just
>>> fine. Does the backup manage to back up other parts of the system ok?

>>
>> I have only selected the ifolder agent, maybe I should just point to
>> the underlying directory? Which directory holds these data files?

>
> Try just file based backup
>
> /var/opt/novell/ifolder
> or somewhere like that.
>
> Which version?


3.6 on oes2. I cannot find any of the files? are they hidden away and
encrypted? Just that if I backup this directory I need to make sure I
know where it is so that I can restore them again. (individually if
needed)
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:25:56 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:44:00 +0000, markr wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:27:03 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:46 +0000, markr wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:21:00 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an iFolder 3 Server happily up and running, but can anyone
>>>>> tell me the best way to back these up? I have purchased Veritas BE
>>>>> for Linux agent and installed it and I am backing it up to a central
>>>>> windows 2003 backup media server (BE 10d).
>>>>>
>>>>> I was very impressed that it actually picks up the ifolder storage
>>>>> so you only have to back that up, but every night it either hangs
>>>>> the backup or skips hundreds of open files, and I need to reboot
>>>>> both the linux server and the windows server.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erm, AFAIK, the ifolder server shouldn't be holding the files open.
>>>> Even in they are open, the backup agent should be able to take a copy
>>>> of whatever is on disk.
>>>>
>>>> We do this very thing using syncsort and can back everything up just
>>>> fine. Does the backup manage to back up other parts of the system ok?
>>>
>>> I have only selected the ifolder agent, maybe I should just point to
>>> the underlying directory? Which directory holds these data files?

>>
>> Try just file based backup
>>
>> /var/opt/novell/ifolder
>> or somewhere like that.
>>
>> Which version?

>
> 3.6 on oes2. I cannot find any of the files? are they hidden away and
> encrypted? Just that if I backup this directory I need to make sure I
> know where it is so that I can restore them again. (individually if
> needed)


HI Mark,

would this be the data directory pointed to in the /etc/apache2/conf.d
file SimiasDataDir ?
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MarkCRobinson Absent Member.
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:53:52 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:25:56 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:44:00 +0000, markr wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:27:03 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:17:46 +0000, markr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:21:00 +0000, Rob Collins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an iFolder 3 Server happily up and running, but can anyone
>>>>>> tell me the best way to back these up? I have purchased Veritas BE
>>>>>> for Linux agent and installed it and I am backing it up to a central
>>>>>> windows 2003 backup media server (BE 10d).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was very impressed that it actually picks up the ifolder storage
>>>>>> so you only have to back that up, but every night it either hangs
>>>>>> the backup or skips hundreds of open files, and I need to reboot
>>>>>> both the linux server and the windows server.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm, AFAIK, the ifolder server shouldn't be holding the files open.
>>>>> Even in they are open, the backup agent should be able to take a copy
>>>>> of whatever is on disk.
>>>>>
>>>>> We do this very thing using syncsort and can back everything up just
>>>>> fine. Does the backup manage to back up other parts of the system ok?
>>>>
>>>> I have only selected the ifolder agent, maybe I should just point to
>>>> the underlying directory? Which directory holds these data files?
>>>
>>> Try just file based backup
>>>
>>> /var/opt/novell/ifolder
>>> or somewhere like that.
>>>
>>> Which version?

>>
>> 3.6 on oes2. I cannot find any of the files? are they hidden away and
>> encrypted? Just that if I backup this directory I need to make sure I
>> know where it is so that I can restore them again. (individually if
>> needed)

>
> HI Mark,
>
> would this be the data directory pointed to in the /etc/apache2/conf.d
> file SimiasDataDir ?



Erm, they are not encrypted unless you asked for a particular iFolder to
be encrypted.

The path is the one that you set during install. If you go back into the
OES install in YaST and pretend you wish to reconfigure ifolder it will
show you the path.

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Mark Robinson
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

markr wrote:

>> would this be the data directory pointed to in the /etc/apache2/conf.d
>> file SimiasDataDir ?

>
>
> Erm, they are not encrypted unless you asked for a particular iFolder to
> be encrypted.
>
> The path is the one that you set during install. If you go back into the
> OES install in YaST and pretend you wish to reconfigure ifolder it will
> show you the path.
>


The path is in the file called "ifolder3" in:
/etc/sysconfig/novell/ifolder3
look for the line that reads:
CONFIG_IFOLDER_DATA_PATH
mine says:
CONFIG_IFOLDER_DATA_PATH="/var/simias/data"

However, this is on my "master" server who should have no
user data. As mark said, you can specify during the install
where your data will go.
All of the iFolder user data will reside under a folder called:
SimiasFiles.

bb
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:09:21 +0000, Brad wrote:

> markr wrote:
>
>>> would this be the data directory pointed to in the /etc/apache2/conf.d
>>> file SimiasDataDir ?

>>
>>
>> Erm, they are not encrypted unless you asked for a particular iFolder
>> to be encrypted.
>>
>> The path is the one that you set during install. If you go back into
>> the OES install in YaST and pretend you wish to reconfigure ifolder it
>> will show you the path.
>>
>>

> The path is in the file called "ifolder3" in:
> /etc/sysconfig/novell/ifolder3
> look for the line that reads:
> CONFIG_IFOLDER_DATA_PATH
> mine says:
> CONFIG_IFOLDER_DATA_PATH="/var/simias/data"
>
> However, this is on my "master" server who should have no user data. As
> mark said, you can specify during the install where your data will go.
> All of the iFolder user data will reside under a folder called:
> SimiasFiles.
>
> bb


Brilliant thanks Guys,

I saw also that there is a tsa that runs that allows you to backup just
the ifolder users, but if I do as Mark suggested and not use this but
only backup that directory then I get a successful backup.

Next step is trying to restore them 😉
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Re: iFolder 3 Backup's

I recently got iFolder backups on my list off "things to do" and here is what I gathered so far. It seems to me that you have to stop the iFolder service before backup to get a good backup of all files.


Backup:
Stop the iFolder server by entering the following command as root user:
/etc/init.d/apache2 stop

Use your normal file system backup procedures to back up the following data:
Simias store directory
You can find the default location of the Simias store directory under Data Store section in the Server Details page of the Web Admin console.

Start the iFolder server by entering the following command as root user:
/etc/init.d/apache2 start


Restore:
Recovering Individual Files or Directories
Collect information that uniquely identifies the file or directory to be recovered, such as a combination of the following:

iFolder name, such as MyiFolder
iFolder owner
iFolder member list
Relative path of the file or directory, such as /MyDir1/MyDir2/myfile.txt
Time stamp or approximate time of the version desired
Other files or directories in the iFolder

Open a Web browser to iManager, then log in with your Admin username and password.
Under Roles and Tasks, select iFolder 3.6 > Launch iFolder Admin Console, then wait for the page to refresh.
If prompted, connect to the iFolder domain by entering iFolder Admin user credentials as needed to launch the Web Admin console.
On the iFolders page, search for the target iFolder, such as MyiFolder.
Under Search Results, click the Name link of the target iFolder, then note the path to its root directory. For example:

/var/simias/data/simias/SimiasFiles/06/62ba1844-6987-47fc-83ab-84bbd5d6130b/MyiFolder

On the iFolder server, use your normal file system restore procedures to restore the target file or directory from backup to a temporary location.

For example, restore /var/opt/novell/ifolder3/simias/SimiasFiles/62ba1844-6987-47fc-83ab-84bbd5d6130b/MyiFolder/MyDir1/MyDir2/MyFile to /tmp/MyFile.

IMPORTANT:Do not restore the file to its original location, or to any location under the Simias store directory.

Use one of the following methods to restore the recovered file to the target iFolder:

Via E-Mail: Send the restored files or directory to the iFolder owner or to any member who has the Write right to the iFolder.

For example, e-mail the recovered file, such as /tmp/MyFile, to the user. A user with the Write right can restore the file to an iFolder simply by copying it back to the appropriate location on an iFolder client. For example, copy MyFile to /home/username/MyiFolder/MyDir1/MyDir2/MyFile.

Via Web Access: In web admin, select iFolders, search for the iFolder you want to manage, and then click the link for the iFolder. On the iFolder page, click Members, then add yourself as a member of the target iFolder.

In a Web browser, log in to iFolder 3.6 Web Access, browse to locate and open the iFolder, then navigate to the directory where the files were originally located. Upload the file to the iFolder. For example, upload MyFile to MyiFolder/MyDir1/MyDir2/MyFile. If necessary, create the directory you want to restore, then upload the files in it.
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