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local user vs. NDS-user?

Yohoo!

We are evaluating the Novell OES. So I installed an OES, which is
running fine.

Now I wanted to try the connection of Windows. I used the "Novell Client
for Windows 4.91 SP2" on a Windows-XP. No Windows-AD or domain.

I cann login as admin on the Novell-Login Screen, but if I create a new
user, he can't login, because there is no local Windows-user with it's name.

I don't want to have two users administrative tasks for the NDS and
local users. So, where did I make a mistake? How can I tell my local
computer, that he don't have to use the local Windows-accounts?

Or am I completely wrong and forgot something?

Greets

Christian
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

One of the ways this is dealt with, is using Zenworks Dynamic Local
User, which creates Windows local accounts on the fly after logging in
with the Novell client. If you want any help setting it up, let me know.


I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

Christian Völker wrote:
> Yohoo!
>
> We are evaluating the Novell OES. So I installed an OES, which is
> running fine.
>
> Now I wanted to try the connection of Windows. I used the "Novell Client
> for Windows 4.91 SP2" on a Windows-XP. No Windows-AD or domain.
>
> I cann login as admin on the Novell-Login Screen, but if I create a new
> user, he can't login, because there is no local Windows-user with it's name.
>
> I don't want to have two users administrative tasks for the NDS and
> local users. So, where did I make a mistake? How can I tell my local
> computer, that he don't have to use the local Windows-accounts?
>
> Or am I completely wrong and forgot something?
>
> Greets
>
> Christian

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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

Yohoo!

> I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
> do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get rid
of these local users? Can't be true.

How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure this
is NOT the policy of Novell.

Really surprised....

Greets

Christian
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

We've had Netware 6.5 for years, which as a result requires the Netware
client. When the Novell client is installed, you can login to the tree,
or Workstation Only.

If you have people login to the tree, they're prompted for a Windows
username and password. Unless you install Zenworks in your tree, which
allows you to create a UserPackage, which allows you to create Windows
accounts on the fly.

We've never known any other way around it. Hope this helps.

By the way, Zenworks is pretty easy to install and set up for this
functionality.

Christian Völker wrote:
> Yohoo!
>
>> I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
>> do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

> So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get rid
> of these local users? Can't be true.
>
> How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
> install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure this
> is NOT the policy of Novell.
>
> Really surprised....
>
> Greets
>
> Christian

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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

Other options include configuring "Auto-Admin-Logon" so that once
authenticating to NDS, everyone logs into the local PC as the same account.

Another option, which I have never used, is to configured the NW6.5 box
(or OES) to act as a Domain Controller. Then you could put the PCs into
that domain for authentication purposes.

What must be done, is local Windows Authentication. There is no way
around this. Either use a local account or a domain account. The
NetWare server can act as your domain. ZENworks can be used to manage
local accounts.

If you are in a company of any decent size and you are running
NetWare/OES, you should own ZENworks since it makes desktop
administration much easier and will save you work or money.

The statements in regards to ZENworks do not even apply to account
management since I do not use it for that, but for the general desktop
management.

cperry@hmdc.harvard.edu wrote:
> We've had Netware 6.5 for years, which as a result requires the Netware
> client. When the Novell client is installed, you can login to the tree,
> or Workstation Only.
>
> If you have people login to the tree, they're prompted for a Windows
> username and password. Unless you install Zenworks in your tree, which
> allows you to create a UserPackage, which allows you to create Windows
> accounts on the fly.
>
> We've never known any other way around it. Hope this helps.
>
> By the way, Zenworks is pretty easy to install and set up for this
> functionality.
>
> Christian Völker wrote:
>> Yohoo!
>>
>>> I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would also
>>> do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

>> So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get rid
>> of these local users? Can't be true.
>>
>> How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
>> install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure this
>> is NOT the policy of Novell.
>>
>> Really surprised....
>>
>> Greets
>>
>> Christian



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Craig Wilson
Novell Product Support Forum Sysop
Master CNE, MCSE 2003, CCN
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

If you do not like the ZEN approach or the AUTOADMIN-LOGON approach and
do not have a Windows Domain controller already in place, the probably
best solution would be to configure the NW server as Windows Primary
Domain Controller. That way every NW user can login to windows as
Domain user without any manual intervention at the workstation and no
need to sync passwords between domain and Edir. The procedure for
enabling this is explained in the NW 6.5 documentation. If you have set
that up you should also deploy universal passwords in your tree.
Works here like a charm. But we have nevertheless ZEN too here but do
not use DLU (dynamic local user) any more since we changed to the PDC
approach.

W. Prindl
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Christian Völker wrote:

> Yohoo!
>
> > I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would
> > also do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

> So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get
> rid of these local users? Can't be true.
>
> How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
> install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure
> this is NOT the policy of Novell.
>
> Really surprised....
>
> Greets
>
> Christian

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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

craig wilson wrote:

> Another option, which I have never used, is to configured the NW6.5 box
> (or OES) to act as a Domain Controller. Then you could put the PCs into
> that domain for authentication purposes.


Where do I find documentation about this feature? I always assumed it
wasn't possible with NW6.5, and none of my netware courses I have taken
said anything about this.

Timo Pietilä
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

Timo Pietilä wrote:
> craig wilson wrote:
>
>> Another option, which I have never used, is to configured the NW6.5
>> box (or OES) to act as a Domain Controller. Then you could put the
>> PCs into that domain for authentication purposes.

>
> Where do I find documentation about this feature?


Nevermind, found that.

Timo Pietilä
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

Yohoo!

>> Where do I find documentation about this feature?

> Nevermind, found that.

Can you please tell us, where?
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

Christian Völker wrote:
> Yohoo!
>
>>> Where do I find documentation about this feature?

>> Nevermind, found that.

> Can you please tell us, where?


It is in NW6.5 documentation. In "native file access" section to be precise:

http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw65/index.html?page=/documentation/nw65/native/data/hz8pck9v.html

I still don't know what I can do and what I cannot do with it, but this
is eanough to put up test-server and play around a bit.

Timo Pietilä
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

Also try asking in some of the 6.5 forums, they may be able to tell you.
Since I have never used that feature, I cant tell you much about it.

Timo Pietilä wrote:
> Christian Völker wrote:
>> Yohoo!
>>
>>>> Where do I find documentation about this feature?
>>> Nevermind, found that.

>> Can you please tell us, where?

>
> It is in NW6.5 documentation. In "native file access" section to be
> precise:
>
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw65/index.html?page=/documentation/nw65/native/data/hz8pck9v.html
>
>
> I still don't know what I can do and what I cannot do with it, but this
> is eanough to put up test-server and play around a bit.
>
> Timo Pietilä



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Craig Wilson
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Master CNE, MCSE 2003, CCN
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Re: local user vs. NDS-user?

Deploy CIFS and make it a domain controller - I have one site that is
using N/W 6.5 but as far as the users are concerned, it's a windows
domain.
No NW client is required and you can create a nfap login script that
will run when they log in to map drives - seems to work well here.
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Christian Völker wrote:

> Yohoo!
>
> > I think you could set up your OES server as a domain, which would
> > also do the same thing as opposed to Zenworks.

> So I will have to install another product (ZenWorks or Samba) to get
> rid of these local users? Can't be true.
>
> How is it done in a Netware 6.5? There is no samba. Am I pushed to
> install a Windows-Domain-Controller to work with Netware? I'm sure
> this is NOT the policy of Novell.
>
> Really surprised....
>
> Greets
>
> Christian

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