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dschaldedfg Absent Member.
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A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

I have been trying to get XEN working along with my USB drives (1.5 TB and 500GB) and I used the auto,hotplug,nofail option in the /etc/fstab file at the startup, after so many frustrations the system actually booted with those switch settings, and I thought that I was on my way, however when I tried to create a new virtual machine, and I tried to use the USB HD as my storage location, it told me that drive was not available because it was not mounted, so I right clicked on the drive, and tried to mount the drive, I was then presented with the next error, Error: etc/fstab configuration doesn't allow for unprivileged operation, scratching my head and ripping out my hair, I looked in the file and at the bottom there was a line usbfs****************/proc/bus/usb********usbfs******noauto****************0 0, :eek: which when I looked in Yast showed the two drives with an (*) next to them saying that they could not be mounted, I deleted the line above out of the /etc/fstab file and rebooted but still the drives would not mount,
Now to the Rant why the heck would you mount the drive and then have a command that says "noauto" starting of the USB drives? That seems so backwards I cannot even comprehend why that is done like that, Auto mounting of the drive is what I want and it is always connected so why not just mount it and be done. How does Novell, or even the SLES expect people to pick this up I am saddened to see that this is something that I cannot find an answer to on either Novell's support sight or an easy fix somewhere, (again why should I even have to jump through these hoops) to make a drive work with the OS? I never want to switch to MS but if I can plug a drive in and make it work why wouldn't I (or anyone for that matter) just do that. Thank you for letting me get this off my chest.
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tmstone8351 Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

Just a few questions. These may sound dumb but it helps to eliminate the basic stuff first.

Was this USB drive used on a Windows computer or a Mac before plugging into the Linux box?

Was it formatted with NTFS, FAT16, FAT32 or had it ever been formatted?

If it was on a Windows computer, had compression or encryption been configured?

Has this drive previously worked OK or is it brand new out of the box?

Does this drive have external power or does it pull power from the USB port?
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dschaldedfg Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

tmstone835;1784515 wrote:
Just a few questions. These may sound dumb but it helps to eliminate the basic stuff first.

Never a bad or dumb question

Was this USB drive used on a Windows computer or a Mac before plugging into the Linux box?

No the drives were only used on the Linux box as NSS volumes

Was it formatted with NTFS, FAT16, FAT32 or had it ever been formatted?

It was formatted with EXT3 and another time with Reiser, when I used them as NSS they were also formatted. I did so again last night when I tried the install again.

If it was on a Windows computer, had compression or encryption been configured?

As described earlier never been on a windows computer and no encryption
Has this drive previously worked OK or is it brand new out of the box?

Yes the drive(s) worked when I set them both up as NSS volumes, system rebooted fine, and I was able to create NSS Pools, NSS Volumes, etc., on both the 1.5TB and the 500 GB

Does this drive have external power or does it pull power from the USB port?


The drives have external power sources, they are plugged in and working, and when I was using them as NSS volumes I wrote to them both so I know that they are working fine under NSS

I understand that this is not the place to get tech support, though I would be very happy if I was able to resolve this to a successful conclusion, thank you again for responding back so quickly.
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islander Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

Please repost your question in the appropriate SUPPORT forum. Here's a link to the SLES support forums.

http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/suse-linux-enterprise-server-sles/

Susan
Novell Community Chat Moderator

http://forums.novell.com/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_rules
http://www.ncci.org NCCIrregulars Web Site
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Susan Novell Community Chat Moderator http://forums.novell.com/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_rules http://www.ncci.org NCCIrregulars Web Site
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dschaldemcs Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

islander;1784812 wrote:
Please repost your question in the appropriate SUPPORT forum. Here's a link to the SLES support forums.

SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) - NOVELL FORUMS

Susan
Novell Community Chat Moderator

NOVELL FORUMS - FAQ: Novell Forums FAQ
NCCI Home Page NCCIrregulars Web Site
NCCI - Novell Community Chat Irregulars NCCIrregulars Blog


Susan I have done that twice, my Rant was not seeking Tech Support (if someone was able to help great) but I am more disappointed that Novell Support (knowledge base), nor the community at large (I have been through Google and Open SUSE and I still cannot find what settings I am supposed to use to make this work), seem to be able to answer why SLES would be so hard to install, and to use as other IS systems are. I am a Novell person through and through but even I am questioning why am I staying with SLES, OES 2 when I cannot even get a USB HD to work easily. I now have 2 TB drives for NSS and that is all it can work for this OS is useless in my mind, this should not be so hard to answer. I appreciate your pointing out the correct Forum, but no one is really jumping to answer my question there either, This is just really upsetting to me. Why is there not helpful TID's on the Novell support site? Sorry my rant could continue but I will stop here.
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jmarton2 Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

dschaldemcs wrote:

> I
> appreciate your pointing out the correct Forum, but no one is really
> jumping to answer my question there either,


In that case it's quite possible the forum users and the Knowledge
Partners (aka SysOps) simply don't know the answer to your question.
Have you tried opening an SR with Novell?

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Joe
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

Have you installed OES2 with the NSS components?

I'm have my doubts that a pure SLES10SP2 installation will be able to
mount NSS volumes. I believe that the OES addon contains the NSS drivers.

BTW, I have a couple of USB-drives, some formatted with NTFS and some
EXT3 where the procedure for getting them to work was just to plug them
in. Haven't tried SLES10SP2, only SLED11, openSUSE 10.3, 11.0 & 11.1.

Good luck!

dschaldemcs wrote:
> islander;1784812 Wrote:
>> Please repost your question in the appropriate SUPPORT forum. Here's a
>> link to the SLES support forums.
>>
>> 'SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) - NOVELL FORUMS'
>> (http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/suse-linux-enterprise-server-sles/)
>>
>> Susan
>> Novell Community Chat Moderator
>>
>> 'NOVELL FORUMS - FAQ: Novell Forums FAQ'
>> (http://forums.novell.com/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_rules)
>> 'NCCI Home Page' (http://www.ncci.org) NCCIrregulars Web Site
>> 'NCCI - Novell Community Chat Irregulars' (http://ncci.blogspot.com)
>> NCCIrregulars Blog

>
> Susan I have done that twice, my Rant was not seeking Tech Support (if
> someone was able to help great) but I am more disappointed that Novell
> Support (knowledge base), nor the community at large (I have been
> through Google and Open SUSE and I still cannot find what settings I am
> supposed to use to make this work), seem to be able to answer why SLES
> would be so hard to install, and to use as other IS systems are. I am a
> Novell person through and through but even I am questioning why am I
> staying with SLES, OES 2 when I cannot even get a USB HD to work easily.
> I now have 2 TB drives for NSS and that is all it can work for this OS
> is useless in my mind, this should not be so hard to answer. I
> appreciate your pointing out the correct Forum, but no one is really
> jumping to answer my question there either, This is just really
> upsetting to me. Why is there not helpful TID's on the Novell support
> site? Sorry my rant could continue but I will stop here.
>
>

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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

Regarding running Xen & NSS:

Running NSS on the Host Server Is Not Supported

NSS pools and volumes are not supported on the Xen host server in a Xen
virtualization environment. You can install NSS on the guest servers
from inside the guest server environment, just as you would if the guest
servers were physical servers.

http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes2/stor_nss_lx_nw/index.html?page=/documentation/oes2/stor_nss_lx_nw/data/bqq4w26.html

dschaldedfg wrote:
> I have been trying to get XEN working along with my USB drives (1.5 TB
> and 500GB) and I used the auto,hotplug,nofail option in the /etc/fstab
> file at the startup, after so many frustrations the system actually
> booted with those switch settings, and I thought that I was on my way,
> however when I tried to create a new virtual machine, and I tried to use
> the USB HD as my storage location, it told me that drive was not
> available because it was not mounted, so I right clicked on the drive,
> and tried to mount the drive, I was then presented with the next error,
> Error: etc/fstab configuration doesn't allow for unprivileged operation,
> scratching my head and ripping out my hair, I looked in the file and at
> the bottom there was a line
> usbfs****************/proc/bus/usb********usbfs******noauto****************0
> 0, :eek: which when I looked in Yast showed the two drives with an (*)
> next to them saying that they could not be mounted, I deleted the line
> above out of the /etc/fstab file and rebooted but still the drives would
> not mount,
> Now to the Rant why the heck would you mount the drive and then have a
> command that says "noauto" starting of the USB drives? That seems so
> backwards I cannot even comprehend why that is done like that, Auto
> mounting of the drive is what I want and it is always connected so why
> not just mount it and be done. How does Novell, or even the SLES expect
> people to pick this up I am saddened to see that this is something that
> I cannot find an answer to on either Novell's support sight or an easy
> fix somewhere, (again why should I even have to jump through these
> hoops) to make a drive work with the OS? I never want to switch to MS
> but if I can plug a drive in and make it work why wouldn't I (or anyone
> for that matter) just do that. Thank you for letting me get this off my
> chest.
>
>

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kathcarruthers Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

Hi alekz:

While your answers seem to be very helpful, they're in the wrong place.
Support for Novell products is not allowed in this particular forum
(community chat). The original poster said that he also asked the
question in the support forum, so he should be answered there (which
you may also have done, but I don't follow that one).


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dschaldemcs Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

jmarton;1784843 wrote:
dschaldemcs wrote:

> I
> appreciate your pointing out the correct Forum, but no one is really
> jumping to answer my question there either,


In that case it's quite possible the forum users and the Knowledge
Partners (aka SysOps) simply don't know the answer to your question.
Have you tried opening an SR with Novell?

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Joe
Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?


Joe, the SysOps are great and I understand that they don't know everything. I wanted to apologize for the tone of my rant, I was not trying to upset anyone, just in the past two years I have seen several large Novell shops switch over to MS, also the company that I am working with is planning the same thing, so my frustrations really just boiled over, as to the SR what is the cost, and if I don't have any SR's available does Novell just take a credit card? Thank you, and again sorry for the tone of the previous messages
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jmarton2 Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

On Mon, 04 May 2009 17:06:01 +0000, dschaldemcs wrote:

> as to the SR what is the cost, and if I don't have any SR's
> available does Novell just take a credit card?


Novell no longer offers one-off SRs. You have to have a current
maintenance contract to open SRs.



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dschaldemcs Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

alekz;1784893 wrote:
Have you installed OES2 with the NSS components?

I'm have my doubts that a pure SLES10SP2 installation will be able to
mount NSS volumes. I believe that the OES addon contains the NSS drivers.

BTW, I have a couple of USB-drives, some formatted with NTFS and some
EXT3 where the procedure for getting them to work was just to plug them
in. Haven't tried SLES10SP2, only SLED11, openSUSE 10.3, 11.0 & 11.1.

Good luck!

At the moment the installation is just SLES 10SP2 I am trying to set up XEN on the box, and use NSS volumes on the guests systems that I will be installing. The trouble I am having is that SLES itself is not mounting the drives because of the /etc/fstab file does a noauto so that they can only be mounted explicitly which I really don't understand why it works like that. In answer to your question if I just plug them in they do work, but when I reboot the server is when I have trouble. Thank you, for your help

dschaldemcs wrote:
> islander;1784812 Wrote:
>> Please repost your question in the appropriate SUPPORT forum. Here's a
>> link to the SLES support forums.
>>
>> 'SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) - NOVELL FORUMS'
>> (SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) - NOVELL FORUMS)
>>
>> Susan
>> Novell Community Chat Moderator
>>
>> 'NOVELL FORUMS - FAQ: Novell Forums FAQ'
>> (NOVELL FORUMS - FAQ: Novell Forums FAQ)
>> 'NCCI Home Page' (NCCI Home Page) NCCIrregulars Web Site
>> 'NCCI - Novell Community Chat Irregulars' (NCCI - Novell Community Chat Irregulars)
>> NCCIrregulars Blog

>
> Susan I have done that twice, my Rant was not seeking Tech Support (if
> someone was able to help great) but I am more disappointed that Novell
> Support (knowledge base), nor the community at large (I have been
> through Google and Open SUSE and I still cannot find what settings I am
> supposed to use to make this work), seem to be able to answer why SLES
> would be so hard to install, and to use as other IS systems are. I am a
> Novell person through and through but even I am questioning why am I
> staying with SLES, OES 2 when I cannot even get a USB HD to work easily.
> I now have 2 TB drives for NSS and that is all it can work for this OS
> is useless in my mind, this should not be so hard to answer. I
> appreciate your pointing out the correct Forum, but no one is really
> jumping to answer my question there either, This is just really
> upsetting to me. Why is there not helpful TID's on the Novell support
> site? Sorry my rant could continue but I will stop here.
>
>
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dschaldemcs Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

alekz;1784894 wrote:
Regarding running Xen & NSS:

Running NSS on the Host Server Is Not Supported

NSS pools and volumes are not supported on the Xen host server in a Xen
virtualization environment. You can install NSS on the guest servers
from inside the guest server environment, just as you would if the guest
servers were physical servers.

Novell Documentation

Yes thank you I was not going to be installing anything else onto the box other than XEN, Gnome, and the C++ tools. Then inside of the Guests I would actually create my servers with the NSS volumes, e-Directory, and GroupWise systems. That is why I wanted to get the drives to work under SLES so that I could use them for my guests OS systems when I was adding more to the system as a whole.

dschaldedfg wrote:
> I have been trying to get XEN working along with my USB drives (1.5 TB
> and 500GB) and I used the auto,hotplug,nofail option in the /etc/fstab
> file at the startup, after so many frustrations the system actually
> booted with those switch settings, and I thought that I was on my way,
> however when I tried to create a new virtual machine, and I tried to use
> the USB HD as my storage location, it told me that drive was not
> available because it was not mounted, so I right clicked on the drive,
> and tried to mount the drive, I was then presented with the next error,
> Error: etc/fstab configuration doesn't allow for unprivileged operation,
> scratching my head and ripping out my hair, I looked in the file and at
> the bottom there was a line
> usbfs****************/proc/bus/usb********usbfs******noauto****************0
> 0, :eek: which when I looked in Yast showed the two drives with an (*)
> next to them saying that they could not be mounted, I deleted the line
> above out of the /etc/fstab file and rebooted but still the drives would
> not mount,
> Now to the Rant why the heck would you mount the drive and then have a
> command that says "noauto" starting of the USB drives? That seems so
> backwards I cannot even comprehend why that is done like that, Auto
> mounting of the drive is what I want and it is always connected so why
> not just mount it and be done. How does Novell, or even the SLES expect
> people to pick this up I am saddened to see that this is something that
> I cannot find an answer to on either Novell's support sight or an easy
> fix somewhere, (again why should I even have to jump through these
> hoops) to make a drive work with the OS? I never want to switch to MS
> but if I can plug a drive in and make it work why wouldn't I (or anyone
> for that matter) just do that. Thank you for letting me get this off my
> chest.
>
>
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dschaldemcs Absent Member.
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Re: A Rant about SLES 10 SP2

kathcarruthers;1784908 wrote:
Hi alekz:

While your answers seem to be very helpful, they're in the wrong place.
Support for Novell products is not allowed in this particular forum
(community chat). The original poster said that he also asked the
question in the support forum, so he should be answered there (which
you may also have done, but I don't follow that one).


--


Sorry for my posts, I will try to see if anyone has answered my questions in the support forum. Just a lot of frustration over this issue, and seeing Novell being replaced by MS.
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