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Big, fast storage server

What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)





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Re: Big, fast storage server

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 21:45 +0000, Craig wrote:
> What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
> of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
> MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)


Fast, but not so big.. which may translate to not so fast either.

We use the MSA's... but my favorite is still the Nexsan SATABeast...
42TB+ of disk (4U unit hold 42 drives)!

We just got the new MSA 2000. We tend to do SAN and control NAS
from hosts we connect to SAN storage. The MSA 60 is just a
bunch of disks (no smarts, no RAID, no NAS, nothing). The MSA
2000 we have has dual RAID controllers and is fibre connected.
No benchies yet.

Our Nexsan easily saturates a 4Gb connection.

RAID tends to hide the benefits of single disk performance.
In other words, why pay for expensive SAS drives in a large
RAID implementation? (also you have the maximum size limitation
inherent to SCSI and SAS)

However we do use a lot of different pieces of equipment
and so we did get the MSA 2000 to play around with. It might
outdo the Nexsan on random I/O per sec... but since it only
holds 12 drives, maybe not.

Our supplier for Nexsan equipment is Jeanne Wilson at
http://www.condorstorage.com
Tell her Chris sent ya... she'll probably shave some bucks
off. Oh.. Nexsan has a new 14 drive SASBoy if you like
the Nexsan products and prefer the high end SAS drives.

We get a huge discount with HP, so I'll have to get a quote
at some point and compare... esp since Nexsan doesn't have a SASBeast
right now (which "might" be interesting to us...).





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Thanks!
"Chris Cox" <notccox@notairmail.net> wrote in message
news:1212705792.4766.39.camel@behemoth.csg.stercomm.com...
> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 21:45 +0000, Craig wrote:
>> What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get
>> rid
>> of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like
>> an
>> MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)

>
> Fast, but not so big.. which may translate to not so fast either.
>
> We use the MSA's... but my favorite is still the Nexsan SATABeast...
> 42TB+ of disk (4U unit hold 42 drives)!
>
> We just got the new MSA 2000. We tend to do SAN and control NAS
> from hosts we connect to SAN storage. The MSA 60 is just a
> bunch of disks (no smarts, no RAID, no NAS, nothing). The MSA
> 2000 we have has dual RAID controllers and is fibre connected.
> No benchies yet.
>
> Our Nexsan easily saturates a 4Gb connection.
>
> RAID tends to hide the benefits of single disk performance.
> In other words, why pay for expensive SAS drives in a large
> RAID implementation? (also you have the maximum size limitation
> inherent to SCSI and SAS)
>
> However we do use a lot of different pieces of equipment
> and so we did get the MSA 2000 to play around with. It might
> outdo the Nexsan on random I/O per sec... but since it only
> holds 12 drives, maybe not.
>
> Our supplier for Nexsan equipment is Jeanne Wilson at
> http://www.condorstorage.com
> Tell her Chris sent ya... she'll probably shave some bucks
> off. Oh.. Nexsan has a new 14 drive SASBoy if you like
> the Nexsan products and prefer the high end SAS drives.
>
> We get a huge discount with HP, so I'll have to get a quote
> at some point and compare... esp since Nexsan doesn't have a SASBeast
> right now (which "might" be interesting to us...).
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: Big, fast storage server

HP says that the 60 does RAID
"Chris Cox" <notccox@notairmail.net> wrote in message
news:1212705792.4766.39.camel@behemoth.csg.stercomm.com...
> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 21:45 +0000, Craig wrote:
>> What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get
>> rid
>> of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like
>> an
>> MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)

>
> Fast, but not so big.. which may translate to not so fast either.
>
> We use the MSA's... but my favorite is still the Nexsan SATABeast...
> 42TB+ of disk (4U unit hold 42 drives)!
>
> We just got the new MSA 2000. We tend to do SAN and control NAS
> from hosts we connect to SAN storage. The MSA 60 is just a
> bunch of disks (no smarts, no RAID, no NAS, nothing). The MSA
> 2000 we have has dual RAID controllers and is fibre connected.
> No benchies yet.
>
> Our Nexsan easily saturates a 4Gb connection.
>
> RAID tends to hide the benefits of single disk performance.
> In other words, why pay for expensive SAS drives in a large
> RAID implementation? (also you have the maximum size limitation
> inherent to SCSI and SAS)
>
> However we do use a lot of different pieces of equipment
> and so we did get the MSA 2000 to play around with. It might
> outdo the Nexsan on random I/O per sec... but since it only
> holds 12 drives, maybe not.
>
> Our supplier for Nexsan equipment is Jeanne Wilson at
> http://www.condorstorage.com
> Tell her Chris sent ya... she'll probably shave some bucks
> off. Oh.. Nexsan has a new 14 drive SASBoy if you like
> the Nexsan products and prefer the high end SAS drives.
>
> We get a huge discount with HP, so I'll have to get a quote
> at some point and compare... esp since Nexsan doesn't have a SASBeast
> right now (which "might" be interesting to us...).
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: Big, fast storage server

Craig wrote:

> What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
> of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
> MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)


Well, it's not exactly big, but we're in the middle of implementing an
MSA 2212fc for our VMWare environment. I've got most of the VMs moved
over to it at this point, and others I'm moving as I type this post.

If you go SAS, the thing is capable of up to about 14TB of raw storage
(48 x 300GB). If you go SATA, it's capable of up to about 36TB of raw
storage (48 x 750GB). Or you can mix 'n' match.

We're all SAS right now with just one enclosure, but at some point we'll
be adding a second enclosure and using SATA in that one.

--
Joe
"Those of you who think you know everything are annoying to those of us
who do."
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Craig wrote:
> HP says that the 60 does RAID


Need to be careful. HP probably means with a RAID
HBA. Not that that is bad... it's just not
a standalone RAID subsystem (AFAIK).
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Re: Big, fast storage server

In article <i8Z1k.1639$Ps.834@kovat.provo.novell.com>, tech@no-
spam.novoco.com says...
> What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
> of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
> MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)
>
>
>
>
>
>


There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
now that Dell bought them.

It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
name).
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> "KittyNoLegs" <kittnolegs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.22b309997278739f989e31@forums.novell.com...
>
> There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
> name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
> now that Dell bought them.
>
> It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
> name).




EMC?



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KittyNoLegs <kittnolegs@gmail.com> expounded:
> In article <i8Z1k.1639$Ps.834@kovat.provo.novell.com>, tech@no-
> spam.novoco.com says...
> > What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
> > of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
> > MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


> There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
> name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
> now that Dell bought them.


> It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
> name).


EquiLogic.

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In article <nIe2k.1856$Ps.1601@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
vicofborg@myrealbox.com says...
> KittyNoLegs <kittnolegs@gmail.com> expounded:
> > In article <i8Z1k.1639$Ps.834@kovat.provo.novell.com>, tech@no-
> > spam.novoco.com says...
> > > What do you like for a big and fast storage server. We're going to get rid
> > > of a lot of paper files via docmgr. I was leaning towards an MSA, like an
> > > MSA60 from HPQ. (SAS 15K drives)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

>
> > There's also that company that Dell just bought (I cannot remember their
> > name right now). They USED to be certified with NetWar, but who knows
> > now that Dell bought them.

>
> > It was a NAS appliance type of thing (darn it I cannot remember their
> > name).

>
> EquiLogic.
>
>


Yes, that's the one.

Thanks!
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