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Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

How many of you have CIO's that only believe The Gartner. All Hail the Gartner! Unfortunately we're at the "if it's not on the Gartner magic quadrant, we don't buy it, or implement it".

My GUESS is that this way the CIO can blame Gartner if it doesn't work well.
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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

Well, I'd agree with that assessment. If companies haven't learned to
be wary of Microsoft by now they deserve the tragedy that will be their
down fall.

To Novell's credit Microsoft wasn't exactly known like it is today.
Maybe had Novell gone through the exact same thing today they might have
been a bit more weary, but what's done is done.
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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

I like the comment, "Very interesting article. I've been around long enough
to know about Novell too.".


*cough*



"DougB" <dougdotblack@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> http://blogs.gartner.com/david_cappuccio/2009/06/30/just-a-thought-will-vmware-become-the-next-novell/
>
> or
>
> http://ncane.com/fu2



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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

Matthew,

> Well, I'd agree with that assessment. If companies haven't learned to
> be wary of Microsoft by now they deserve the tragedy that will be their
> down fall.
>
> To Novell's credit Microsoft wasn't exactly known like it is today.
> Maybe had Novell gone through the exact same thing today they might have
> been a bit more weary, but what's done is done.



Truth be told, I expected MS to either absorb or obliterate Citrix by now.
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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

I don't know a whole lot about how citrix works, but I remember getting
a quote one time that required buying us a license for citrix stuff and
then being told we also had to buy a license for Windows. Made TS look
a lot better at the time, but we skipped out on both. 😄
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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

Think you need cals, TS, and Citrix licenses
"Matthew" <systemRemovEtyrant@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I don't know a whole lot about how citrix works, but I remember getting a
>quote one time that required buying us a license for citrix stuff and then
>being told we also had to buy a license for Windows. Made TS look a lot
>better at the time, but we skipped out on both. 😄



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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

DougB wrote:

> http://blogs.gartner.com/david_cappuccio/2009/06/30/just-a-thought-will-vmware-become-the-next-novell/


Saw this yesterday and it's quite laughable. The virtualization market
is a completely different beast.

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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

Here is some more of the same
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10278099-16.html

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"DougB" <dougdotblack@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> http://blogs.gartner.com/david_cappuccio/2009/06/30/just-a-thought-will-vmware-become-the-next-novell/
>
> or
>
> http://ncane.com/fu2
>


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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:34:24 +0000, Keith V. Klenke wrote:

> Here is some more of the same
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10278099-16.html


Hmmm...

"I'll let you read Cappuccio's excellent post for his full argument, but
the crux of it is that in the face of dominant but pricey technology,
many buyers will turn to "good enough" to fill their needs."

Apparently Matt Asay has never heard of ESXi, or he has but considers
free "pricey."



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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

Well, just look at the author's name : D.Cappucino - clearly he has lost his
mind (cf the kind of coffee they brewed during the French Revolution...)

I'll be here all...my life. Try the coffee, I hear it is to die for!

Sorry,

Ron

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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

Now that I have actually read the Cappuccio and Assay articles I have a more
thoughtful post to post. From Matt Assay's article:

"I'll let you read Cappuccio's excellent post for his full argument, but the
crux of it is that in the face of dominant but pricey technology, many
buyers will turn to "good enough" to fill their needs."

This is an interesting "If A then B" statement which I think we can apply to
other software categories. Try these out and tell me what you think....

1. Dominant but pricey : MS Office; Good enough and free : OpenOffice.org

2. Dominant but pricey : MS SharePoint; Good enough and free : kablink
teaming

3. Dominant but pricey : MS SQL Server; Good enough and free : mySql,
postgres

4. Dominant but pricey : MS Server/ActiveDirectory; Good enough and free :
any Linux distro with Samba and LDAP.

5. Dominant but pricey : MS Exchange; Good enough and free : Open-Xchange,
opengroupware, Scalix, Zimbra, GMail.

Examine the cost of the entire system and you get "Really Pricey" vs Free
and Good enough.

Of course it can be easily argued that for a given situation the Free
software is not quite Good Enough. But I think it also be argued that for
some, if not many the free solution IS good enough. It is also true that for
any technology market the tech from all sources will progress over time and
will eventually reach the Good Enough stage. I'd suggest that that happened
in office software suites around MS Office 2000/2003 and that free office
software will reach that level of capability very quickly - if indeed it
hasn't already.

Is any of this software perfect? No. Is any of the free stuff 100%
compatible? No. But remember that the argument of the two authors is based
on low cost and sufficient capability, so perfection and/or 100%
compatibility is not required.

There is ONE major difference though in the two markets (MS vs Free) and
that is the area of distribution : MS has a lock on distribution through
hardware vendor punitive license agreements (you can buy our licenses really
cheap, but only if you agree to only buy our licenses) which over the years
have expanded MS's influence and control to deadly anti-competitive levels.

This is the main challenge for Free to overcome.

Cheers,

Ron

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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

I slightly disagree with #2. WSS 3.0 is free, and that's why Sharepoint is "dominating" (yes, the OS it sits on is not free, but the product itself is). MS gets WSS 3.0 in the door, people love it, and then they manage to snag you with Office 2007 and/or Exchange 2007 and at that point you almost "have to" buy the MOSS version of Sharepoint and pay through the nose.

Although I also disagree that OpenOffice is "good enough" when it mangles Office docs in the conversion process.

But your other points are very interesting and seem to negate the "good enough" argument (ie, good enough isn't winning out). Probably because, as you pointed out, the MS lock on stuff that they have (and people don't seem to care that they get locked into a single vendor solution).
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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

It should be changed to "good enough and bundled with M$" is what people run
to.

Lantastic did fade after Windows offered "good enough" P2P, and modem
sharing software went away too. That formula seems consistent.


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> I slightly disagree with #2. WSS 3.0 is free, and that's why Sharepoint
> is "dominating" (yes, the OS it sits on is not free, but the product
> itself is). MS gets WSS 3.0 in the door, people love it, and then they
> manage to snag you with Office 2007 and/or Exchange 2007 and at that
> point you almost "have to" buy the MOSS version of Sharepoint and pay
> through the nose.
>
> Although I also disagree that OpenOffice is "good enough" when it
> mangles Office docs in the conversion process.
>
> But your other points are very interesting and seem to negate the "good
> enough" argument (ie, good enough isn't winning out). Probably because,
> as you pointed out, the MS lock on stuff that they have (and people
> don't seem to care that they get locked into a single vendor solution).
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Re: Gartner pundit: "Will VMware become the next Novell?"

Ooh, I like that combination (well in the sense that it seems to ring true)
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