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HP ProCurve

Wouldn't I love to have them. 😛

Anyway. I have Netgear switches and here's why.

To get me the HP switches setup the way I would like them it would cost
a little over $15,000. Now that affords me a lot of future growth and
options that would probably justify the price.

To get the same setup with Netgear it would cost me around $6,500. While
future growth is pretty much out of the question with the Netgear
switches and setup will probably be a bigger pain in the buttocks area.

The problem I have is getting them to give me the money. Saying I'm
pushing the limit with what I'm asking for already is an understatement,
but asking for an additional $8,500 to upgrade the switches is gonna
sink like a boat without a bottom.

However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches. Who
knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

I think I heard Matthew say something like:

> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches.
> Who knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂


Use that as part of your reasoning to go w/ the higher end switches.
Tell them the ciscos last so much longer they're worth the extra $.

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Re: HP ProCurve

On 8/25/10 3:27 PM, Stevo wrote:
> I think I heard Matthew say something like:
>
>> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches.
>> Who knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂

>
> Use that as part of your reasoning to go w/ the higher end switches.
> Tell them the ciscos last so much longer they're worth the extra $.
>



LOL!!! Like most IT departments... we get no respect. New office
furniture is more important. 😛

I'm not pushing it this year, but in the future when we replace switches
I will be pushing for HP or Cisco. Prolly end up being HP switches, but
one can always dream. 😛
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jmarton2 Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

Matthew wrote:

> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches.
> Who knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂


If you start with Linksys I believe Cisco has a program to trade them
in and get credit towards actual Cisco switches. Even if you don't
need the Cisco branded stuff, you can get some pretty decent managed
switches in the Small Biz line (Linksys).

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

1) The HPs have lifetime warranties and probably won't need them.
2) If you really don't think you can sell them on the whole HP deal, opt
for a nicer backbone switch and then use the crappier ones for the others.
Upgrade those over time.

3) How do they even know there are other options? Can't you give them the
quote for the ones you do want and see what happens?

IT guys often shoot themselves in the foot. Exhibit a: you give them 3
options, good, mediocre and bad. Why not give them 3 choices: Excellent
and pricey; Good but cheaper and acceptable? Raise the bar, you'll be
surprised what happens.


"Matthew" <systemremovetyrant@gmaildot.com> wrote in message
news:3Wedo.59202$N74.47287@kovat.provo.novell.com...
> Wouldn't I love to have them. 😛
>
> Anyway. I have Netgear switches and here's why.
>
> To get me the HP switches setup the way I would like them it would cost a
> little over $15,000. Now that affords me a lot of future growth and
> options that would probably justify the price.
>
> To get the same setup with Netgear it would cost me around $6,500. While
> future growth is pretty much out of the question with the Netgear switches
> and setup will probably be a bigger pain in the buttocks area.
>
> The problem I have is getting them to give me the money. Saying I'm
> pushing the limit with what I'm asking for already is an understatement,
> but asking for an additional $8,500 to upgrade the switches is gonna sink
> like a boat without a bottom.
>
> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches. Who
> knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂



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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

I think I heard Matthew say something like:

> LOL!!! Like most IT departments... we get no respect. New office
> furniture is more important. 😛


Funny how stuff like that happens, then everyone b***hes when computer
related stuff starts acting wonky........


> I'm not pushing it this year, but in the future when we replace
> switches I will be pushing for HP or Cisco. Prolly end up being HP
> switches, but one can always dream. 😛


Fortunately my boss is a firm believer in cisco, so he pushes for it.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

One word ---- Enterasys.......
HTH


"Matthew" <systemremovetyrant@gmaildot.com> wrote in message
news:3Wedo.59202$N74.47287@kovat.provo.novell.com...
> Wouldn't I love to have them. 😛
>
> Anyway. I have Netgear switches and here's why.
>
> To get me the HP switches setup the way I would like them it would cost a
> little over $15,000. Now that affords me a lot of future growth and
> options that would probably justify the price.
>
> To get the same setup with Netgear it would cost me around $6,500. While
> future growth is pretty much out of the question with the Netgear switches
> and setup will probably be a bigger pain in the buttocks area.
>
> The problem I have is getting them to give me the money. Saying I'm
> pushing the limit with what I'm asking for already is an understatement,
> but asking for an additional $8,500 to upgrade the switches is gonna sink
> like a boat without a bottom.
>
> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches. Who
> knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂


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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:20 +0000, Matthew wrote:
> Wouldn't I love to have them. 😛
>
> Anyway. I have Netgear switches and here's why.
>
> To get me the HP switches setup the way I would like them it would cost
> a little over $15,000. Now that affords me a lot of future growth and
> options that would probably justify the price.
>
> To get the same setup with Netgear it would cost me around $6,500. While
> future growth is pretty much out of the question with the Netgear
> switches and setup will probably be a bigger pain in the buttocks area.
>
> The problem I have is getting them to give me the money. Saying I'm
> pushing the limit with what I'm asking for already is an understatement,
> but asking for an additional $8,500 to upgrade the switches is gonna
> sink like a boat without a bottom.
>
> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches. Who
> knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂


IPv6 === network upgrade for ALL

So.. you just might want to wait. Network costs are one of those
forgotten about cost (often times). A good network infrastructure is
VERY expensive and companies often under budget for it.

It's not unusual to spend over a half-million or more USD...

No free ride there...

Of course, it does depend on the size of the network you need. How big
is your network (ports, LAN/VLANs, etc)?





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Re: HP ProCurve

"Craig" <elrushbo@eib.net> wrote in news:8Ofdo.59214$N74.8820
@kovat.provo.novell.com:

> Why not give them 3 choices: Excellent
> and pricey; Good but cheaper and acceptable? Raise the bar, you'll be
> surprised what happens.
>


My wife did this to me in Venice. Look Dave, a beautiful set of dishware
in glass and gold; item 2, some glorius picture frame; followed by item 3,
the little vase and ear rings she really wanted. Hook line and sinker, I
fell hard for the cheapest on the table.

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Ciao, Dave
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

On 8/25/2010 5:20 PM, Craig wrote:
> 1) The HPs have lifetime warranties and probably won't need them.
> 2) If you really don't think you can sell them on the whole HP deal, opt
> for a nicer backbone switch and then use the crappier ones for the others.
> Upgrade those over time.
>
> 3) How do they even know there are other options? Can't you give them the
> quote for the ones you do want and see what happens?
>
> IT guys often shoot themselves in the foot. Exhibit a: you give them 3
> options, good, mediocre and bad. Why not give them 3 choices: Excellent
> and pricey; Good but cheaper and acceptable? Raise the bar, you'll be
> surprised what happens.
>


Exactly, give someone a cheap option and you are saying "this cheap
solution is just as good" to most people.

>
> "Matthew"<systemremovetyrant@gmaildot.com> wrote in message
> news:3Wedo.59202$N74.47287@kovat.provo.novell.com...
>> Wouldn't I love to have them. 😛
>>
>> Anyway. I have Netgear switches and here's why.
>>
>> To get me the HP switches setup the way I would like them it would cost a
>> little over $15,000. Now that affords me a lot of future growth and
>> options that would probably justify the price.
>>
>> To get the same setup with Netgear it would cost me around $6,500. While
>> future growth is pretty much out of the question with the Netgear switches
>> and setup will probably be a bigger pain in the buttocks area.
>>
>> The problem I have is getting them to give me the money. Saying I'm
>> pushing the limit with what I'm asking for already is an understatement,
>> but asking for an additional $8,500 to upgrade the switches is gonna sink
>> like a boat without a bottom.
>>
>> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches. Who
>> knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂

>
>


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adrockk Contributor.
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Re: HP ProCurve

Matthew wrote:

> Wouldn't I love to have them. 😛
>
> Anyway. I have Netgear switches and here's why.
>
> To get me the HP switches setup the way I would like them it would
> cost a little over $15,000. Now that affords me a lot of future
> growth and options that would probably justify the price.
>
> To get the same setup with Netgear it would cost me around $6,500.
> While future growth is pretty much out of the question with the
> Netgear switches and setup will probably be a bigger pain in the
> buttocks area.
>
> The problem I have is getting them to give me the money. Saying I'm
> pushing the limit with what I'm asking for already is an
> understatement, but asking for an additional $8,500 to upgrade the
> switches is gonna sink like a boat without a bottom.
>
> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches.
> Who knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂


Have you ever looked at Dell Powerconnect switches? I've replaced a few
of my Nortel pieces with some of their higher end switches, and I get
all the features I want (L3 switched routing,VLANs, LAG/trunking, POE)
for about half of what I pay for the Nortel device. The edge switches
are rebranded SMCs I believe, and the core/modular stuff is rebranded
Juniper and Brocade.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

On 8/25/10 5:43 PM, Chris Cox wrote:
> Of course, it does depend on the size of the network you need. How big
> is your network (ports, LAN/VLANs, etc)?


Over my entire Network we are probably using 100 ports across five
switches. I have three vlans. At last count I want to say we had around
40 actual desktop computers and thin clients. We aren't a big place.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

Have you looked at Nortel ? Aside from the bankruptchy thing which is
settled, they have very good enterprise switches and I have some out there
that have outlasted Cisco in both quality and price.

Life time warrenty and excellent support with all the advanced features of
Cisco at half the price.


"Matthew" <systemremovetyrant@gmaildot.com> wrote in message
news:3Wedo.59202$N74.47287@kovat.provo.novell.com...
> Wouldn't I love to have them. 😛
>
> Anyway. I have Netgear switches and here's why.
>
> To get me the HP switches setup the way I would like them it would cost a
> little over $15,000. Now that affords me a lot of future growth and
> options that would probably justify the price.
>
> To get the same setup with Netgear it would cost me around $6,500. While
> future growth is pretty much out of the question with the Netgear switches
> and setup will probably be a bigger pain in the buttocks area.
>
> The problem I have is getting them to give me the money. Saying I'm
> pushing the limit with what I'm asking for already is an understatement,
> but asking for an additional $8,500 to upgrade the switches is gonna sink
> like a boat without a bottom.
>
> However, it would be great to have HP ProCurve or Cisco switches. Who
> knows. In a few years maybe I can upgrade again. 🙂



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adrockk Contributor.
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Re: HP ProCurve

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:51:39 GMT, "Michael Rae"
<wes@gocolumbiamodot.com> wrote:
> Life time warrenty and excellent support with all the advanced

features of
> Cisco at half the price.


An ERS 5220 48 port poe switch is pushing $6k. Are you saying cisco
is twice that?!

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naomi371 Absent Member.
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Re: HP ProCurve

Reminds me of that famous advice, "If you want a kitten, ask for a pony."

Dave Taylor wrote:
> "Craig" <elrushbo@eib.net> wrote in news:8Ofdo.59214$N74.8820
> @kovat.provo.novell.com:
>
>> Why not give them 3 choices: Excellent
>> and pricey; Good but cheaper and acceptable? Raise the bar, you'll be
>> surprised what happens.
>>

>
> My wife did this to me in Venice. Look Dave, a beautiful set of dishware
> in glass and gold; item 2, some glorius picture frame; followed by item 3,
> the little vase and ear rings she really wanted. Hook line and sinker, I
> fell hard for the cheapest on the table.
>

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