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Re: HP or Dell?

Hp for servers, HP for workstations.

Dell is still in business?? I thought they went the way of CompuAdd ?? 🙂


"Craig" <elrushbo@eib.net> wrote in message
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> Do you still care, now that you're off Netware-ish?
>



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I have HP and Dell laptops for work, Toshiba, Fujitsu, and AlienWare for
home. I like the HP keyboard better than the Dell, but the Dell monitor is
more resistant to damage. Love my Toshiba's keyboard, but it's a low end
unit so the video is slow. My Fujitsu laptop is now 11 years old and has
been relegated to being a portable DVD for now, and is used by the niece
when she visits; it just keeps running. My AlienWare is 9 years old and
runs circles around my Dell and with 1/2 the RAM. This is due mainly to a
"difference of opinion" between me and the person who specs the "power
users" laptops at work. I consider my Dell an "acceptable" desktop
replacement but not a "power users" laptop. FWIW

>>> Craig<elrushbo@eib.net> 8/19/2010 3:04 PM >>>

Yeah...servers. But if you have Laptop input I'd take that too.
"Mary Matthews" <mlm23NO@SPAMcalvin.edu> wrote in message
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> For servers? Over the past 5 years or so it hasn't made a difference to


> me
> since they're using so many similar components.
>
>>>> Craig<elrushbo@eib.net> 8/19/2010 2:16 PM >>>

> Do you still care, now that you're off Netware‑ish?
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On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 18:16 +0000, Craig wrote:
> Do you still care, now that you're off Netware-ish?
>
>


Servers: HP (not even close), the DL380 line, HIGHLY recommended. I
also like the c7000 blade enclosure... if properly configured (and HP
has NO idea how to do that btw), it's very nice. I don't prefer HP MSA
storage though. I do like the HP IO Accelerator (Fusion-IO) on the
blade side especially. Samsung is HP's SSD supplier (in general) and
for the most part it's first or second gen speed... nothing spectacular.

HP has great cciss RAID (SmartArray) support in Linux. Usually a no
brainer install. With Dell, it's a mixture of vendor technologies...
same names but different vendor architectures across model numbers... so
it's NEVER the same and some are good and some are bad and Dell's Linux
support is ALWAYS mixed.

Desktop: ???

HP and Dell both have issue with regards to desktops. There are
multiple classes, multiple models, they have good ones, they have bad
ones... this one is tough. I used to praise HP's xw* workstation
series, until I experienced the xw8200 which has a VERY broken Intel
gigabit onboard.... so... can't say.

Laptop: ???

Similar to the desktop situation, except I USED to recommend Dell's
Latitude and Precision lines. But they are NOT what they used to be...
and let me qualify that... because the Dell Precision M60 was a flimsy
mess (nice, but fragile).... but the M70 WAS A ROCK... I haven't seen
many laptops approach that one for being rock solid. The later Latitude
D Series line (circa the Precision M70) were ok... but mixed since
there's a plethora of configuration options. Do you get the evil Dell
wireless or go with a working Intel wireless for a few dollars more...
if you don't say, you get the stinkin Dell one.

Best thing I like about Dell laptops (possibly going away) is the
Complete Care warranty. Yes... your Dell laptop will die (esp. if it
has an Nvidia GPU)... the CC allows you to get everything replaced (even
minor things) usually withing a day (talking about a home user). That's
nice. If they can't fix it, you automatically get the next generation
model or beyond.

I currently use a HP Elitebook 2530p and I LOVE it... it does run a bit
hot, but it's POWERFUL and the size is only slightly larger than a
netbook. So for size of a US Letter size piece of paper, you can have
nice dual cores with 8G ram. It's also one of the very few Xen Desktop
supported platforms, if you want to run a standalone hypervisor instance
with full 3D rendering, etc. on the guests.

I currently have/use:

HP Proliant G3 - G7 servers
HP Proliant BL G1 - G7 servers
HP c7000 enclosure, Flex-10 ethernet VC, 4 and 8Gbit FC VC
Dell E Series laptops
Dell D Series laptops
Dell PowerEdge servers (multiple gens, 18xx, none of the new "R" line
yet... have access to them though)
HP Elitebook laptops (multiple gens)
HP Probook laptops (multiple gens)
HP xw* Workstations (multiple gens, my two primary workstations are
xw6600's)
HP Z600, Z800 Workstations

We tend to prefer HP over Dell in most cases.

Oh... we also use IBM stuff.... but mostly HP at the moment (we'll be
using a lot more IBM in the near future)




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Craig wrote:

> We've bought some Dells lately that seem really nice for VMware
> stuff. Maybe the adage is outdated now?


What about the class action suit against Dell at the moment for
'knowingly' selling faulty computers?

On a more personal note, I know of too many people that have had faulty
Dells or have had Dells that are poorly designed leading to component
failure; sure, consumer line, but still - when you get computers that
are DOA...

I'd need to see a change in philosophy and upper management before I
would consider recommending a Dell.
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Reminds me of IBM when they were still selling us new PC's, knowing they had
bad capacitors:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1045752/ibms-capacitors-are-dodgy-too-but-its-hushed-up

Oh, and IBM didn't even bother to tell us about the capacitor problem until
we had a few hundred PC's fail just outside their warranty. I feel sorry
for Chris who says he will be using a lot more IBM in the near future.

"Scott Campbell" <potato@potato.potato> wrote in message
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> What about the class action suit against Dell at the moment for
> 'knowingly' selling faulty computers?



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<youngec@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Reminds me of IBM when they were still selling us new PC's, knowing
> they had bad capacitors:


The HPs we had (DC7600s?) with bad capacitors in them - making the
computer 'squeal' when you moved things like windows around.
Logged the issue with our somewhat incredilous supplier, they logged it
with HP, HP turned around and said yes, they were aware of a batch
exhibiting the issue and arranged for 3 or 4 of the suppliers techs to
come on site on a weekend or after hours at-least at no charge (the
warranty was only their standard 3/3/3 so they could have refused to do
it outside of working hours) to swap out the motherboards of the 15
machines (of 20) - they even offered to do the reinstallation of the
software too...

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HP for servers and desktops.
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Excellent point...(me, too)
"Scott Campbell" <potato@potato.potato> wrote in message
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> Craig wrote:
>
>> We've bought some Dells lately that seem really nice for VMware
>> stuff. Maybe the adage is outdated now?

>
> What about the class action suit against Dell at the moment for
> 'knowingly' selling faulty computers?
>
> On a more personal note, I know of too many people that have had faulty
> Dells or have had Dells that are poorly designed leading to component
> failure; sure, consumer line, but still - when you get computers that
> are DOA...
>
> I'd need to see a change in philosophy and upper management before I
> would consider recommending a Dell.



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On 8/19/2010 1:16 PM, Craig wrote:
> Do you still care, now that you're off Netware-ish?
>


I know I'm kind of out of it, but still help the old office some. For
them, since they are major purchasers of Dell, Dell has been nothing but
golden for them.

Example, they ordered a server on a Monday that they didn't need for two
weeks. They got the PO, yeah, will be there in two weeks. Nope, showed
up Friday. From what I see/hear, Dell is treating them very well with
support.

Granted, they do buy a lot, but they're much happier with Dell now than HP.

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On 8/20/10 12:10 AM, LLL wrote:
> On 8/19/2010 1:16 PM, Craig wrote:
>> Do you still care, now that you're off Netware-ish?
>>

>
> I know I'm kind of out of it, but still help the old office some. For
> them, since they are major purchasers of Dell, Dell has been nothing but
> golden for them.
>
> Example, they ordered a server on a Monday that they didn't need for two
> weeks. They got the PO, yeah, will be there in two weeks. Nope, showed
> up Friday. From what I see/hear, Dell is treating them very well with
> support.
>
> Granted, they do buy a lot, but they're much happier with Dell now than HP.
>


Hardware wise I seriously doubt that Dell is any worse than HP in the
business line of computers. You would be hard press to find a software
vendor that didn't support both. I'm sure big accounts get special
treatment from both companies.

So here is the reasons I choose HP over Dell:

1. I can get a replacement part by simply chatting with tech support
online. No calling or fussing with them. (maybe dell can do this as
well, but I don't have any dell stuff to try that way)

2. HP products have been rock solid in my experience so far.

3. Up till now HP has always been a bit cheaper in price for the things
I order. (I say up till now because I did a server comparison yesterday
and the dell server was a few pennies cheaper)

4. I like standardizing on one brand. I normally order everything from
CDW as well. Oddly enough most of the time, with some finagling, I can
get them to beat HP direct prices.

5. I don't have a fifth reason. Just wanted to keep you reading.
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