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Never again, goodbye Seagate

About 15 years ago when I bought my first PC it had a Seagate drive. After a while the drive failed and I lost all my data, I told myself never again a Seagate drive.

14 years later I bought my current computer I decided to go with Seagate again (stupid me), I even bought 2 of them 500GB. I configured RAID0 and everything was nice until one day months ago, one drive failed loosing everything again :mad:.

Threw out the failed drive and installed everything again on the working Seagate drive.

Guess what, a couple weeks ago that drive died, all data lost again :mad:

Started googling and found out that this is a known issue and many people have had the same problem, seems to be a firmware issue.

Seagate customers swamped by Barracuda drive failures • The Register

Contacted Seagate support and they offered free data recovery which was nice.. So on Monday I will submit a ticket with seagate for data recovery, I really hope everything will work out smoothly.

Thomas
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grimlock1 Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On 3/26/2010 1:06 PM, thsundel wrote:
>
> About 15 years ago when I bought my first PC it had a Seagate drive.
> After a while the drive failed and I lost all my data, I told myself
> never again a Seagate drive.
>
> 14 years later I bought my current computer I decided to go with
> Seagate again (stupid me), I even bought 2 of them 500GB. I configured
> RAID0 and everything was nice until one day months ago, one drive failed
> loosing everything again :mad:.
>
> Threw out the failed drive and installed everything again on the
> working Seagate drive.
>
> Guess what, a couple weeks ago that drive died, all data lost again
> :mad:
>
> Started googling and found out that this is a known issue and many
> people have had the same problem, seems to be a firmware issue.
>
> 'Seagate customers swamped by Barracuda drive failures • The
> Register'
> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/16/barracuda_failure_plague/)
>
> Contacted Seagate support and they offered free data recovery which was
> nice.. So on Monday I will submit a ticket with seagate for data
> recovery, I really hope everything will work out smoothly.
>
> Thomas
>


For every Seagate horror story, there's one for Western Digital,
Hitachi, Maxtor, IBM, you name it. It happens to all of them.



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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

Yep. Getting worse daily too. Prolly why raid is becoming so popular
on desktops. 😛
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grimlock1 Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On 3/26/2010 1:39 PM, Matthew Good wrote:
> Yep. Getting worse daily too. Prolly why raid is becoming so popular
> on desktops. 😛


Raid on desktops just seems to increase the likelihood of failure.
Better to just have good backups.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

I think I heard Patrick Farrell say something like:

> Raid on desktops just seems to increase the likelihood of failure.
> Better to just have good backups.


That or don't save critical data to a desktop, save it somewhere more
secure.

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jmarton2 Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:12:34 +0000, Patrick Farrell wrote:

> Raid on desktops just seems to increase the likelihood of failure.


Eh, if it's RAID1 it shouldn't. However, the OP said he was using
RAID0. That increases the likelihood of failure regardless of the drive
technology used.



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Joe
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

> Raid on desktops just seems to increase the likelihood of failure.
> Better to just have good backups.


I don't do raid, but mirrors. Has been a savior on many occasions.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 18:06 +0000, thsundel wrote:
> About 15 years ago when I bought my first PC it had a Seagate drive.
> After a while the drive failed and I lost all my data, I told myself
> never again a Seagate drive.


Seagate == Maxtor == bad quality

I don't like Seagate anymore either. Still... I have friends that swear
by them. But I'm pretty sure I'm right and they're wrong.

Also, remember this isn't the first time for hating Seagate. If you
were around in the late 80's, you know that Seagate had a bad reputation
then as well.

WD had the evil Caviar 1.6G drive problem in the mid-90's.... then
the evil DeskStar problem hit IBM and we saw that all get sold to
Hitachi.

Today, some of my most reliable storage systems use WD and Hitachi
drives....

My point is, things DO change and today's bad drive company can be
tomorrow's good drive company.

Some of those really old Quantum SCSI drives seem to last forever...
then Maxtor bought them and as long as you still had the old Quantum
made drives, things were fine... but as Maxtor started producing their
variation of the drive, the quality went down. I had a storage unit
using a plethora of Maxtor drives.... 100% failure of ALL drives within
3 years (which might seem ok, but that's actually really, really bad).

When Seagate purchased Maxtor, Seagate was actually making some pretty
nice drives. However they started producing a lot of those drives via
the Maxtor plant. (some of the .9's and most all .10's).... then
suddenly, drive failures within ONE YEAR all over the place.

..... sigh...


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jmarton2 Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:33:59 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

> I don't do raid, but mirrors.


Isn't that like saying "it's not a quarter to 8:00, it's 7:45"? 🙂


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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

Joseph Marton,
>
>> I don't do raid, but mirrors.

>
> Isn't that like saying "it's not a quarter to 8:00, it's 7:45"? 🙂
>
>


?? There are many different types of RAID beyond simple drive
mirroring. Granted, they're not much used on desktops, but . . .



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adrockk Trusted Contributor.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

Chris Cox wrote:

> Some of those really old Quantum SCSI drives seem to last forever...
> then Maxtor bought them and as long as you still had the old Quantum
> made drives, things were fine... but as Maxtor started producing their
> variation of the drive, the quality went down. I had a storage unit
> using a plethora of Maxtor drives.... 100% failure of ALL drives
> within 3 years (which might seem ok, but that's actually really,
> really bad).


Remember the Quantum Bigfoot?
Was more useful as a hammer than a storage device.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

> Isn't that like saying "it's not a quarter to 8:00, it's 7:45"? 🙂

Yes, but not everyone has a grasp of all the RAID levels.
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

I have stacks of dead MAxtor 40GB's, WD 20GB's.
Have not had large blocks of failures with Seagate, however
I have had some individual instances of Seagate failures that
were fairly catastrophic. With any electro-mechanical device,
I say, 'You takes your chances.' You're never really more than
a power blip away from disaster with any of it.



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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 19:56 +0000, GofBorg wrote:
> I have stacks of dead MAxtor 40GB's, WD 20GB's.


Each more than 7 years old, so really can't count
those right?

> Have not had large blocks of failures with Seagate, however


How many new 300G or larger Seagate drives to you have?

> I have had some individual instances of Seagate failures that
> were fairly catastrophic. With any electro-mechanical device,
> I say, 'You takes your chances.' You're never really more than
> a power blip away from disaster with any of it.
>
>
>


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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 19:51 +0000, Adam Gabriel wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
>
> > Some of those really old Quantum SCSI drives seem to last forever...
> > then Maxtor bought them and as long as you still had the old Quantum
> > made drives, things were fine... but as Maxtor started producing their
> > variation of the drive, the quality went down. I had a storage unit
> > using a plethora of Maxtor drives.... 100% failure of ALL drives
> > within 3 years (which might seem ok, but that's actually really,
> > really bad).

>
> Remember the Quantum Bigfoot?
> Was more useful as a hammer than a storage device.


🙂 Yes... I was thinking more along the SCSI Atlas II line.
You're right... I guess Quantum had their moments as well... I just
didn't go back that far.


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