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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

> On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 19:56 +0000, GofBorg wrote:
>> I have stacks of dead MAxtor 40GB's, WD 20GB's.

>
> Each more than 7 years old, so really can't count
> those right?


They are just in storage, they all failed within the warranty period.

>> Have not had large blocks of failures with Seagate, however

>
> How many new 300G or larger Seagate drives to you have?


None. I did notice decline of reliability of drives starting with the
120GB and the Maxtor acquisition. When Seagate bought Maxtor I instantly
thought the gene pool was polluted. It doesn't seem to have affected SCSI
much. I think what made Maxtor appealing to Seagate was that I believe
Maxtor had some efficiencies in making their drives less costly to
manufacture....and apparently less reliable. All I can tell you is that
every manufacturer seems to have issues with certain capacities, recall also
that they all have introduced newer methods of storing data on the platters,
basically standing the data on end so I suspect there might be a period
where failures may increase while these technologies are fleshed out with
real world usage. Ultimately, rotating platters are a dead tech..good
riddance.



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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On 3/26/2010 3:33 PM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:12:34 +0000, Patrick Farrell wrote:
>
>> Raid on desktops just seems to increase the likelihood of failure.

>
> Eh, if it's RAID1 it shouldn't. However, the OP said he was using
> RAID0. That increases the likelihood of failure regardless of the drive
> technology used.
>
>
>

Remember it wasn't that long ago when all of the "computer experts" were
touting RAID 0 for folks who are in the mine is bigger than yours race
after many motherboards added low end fakeRAID controllers?
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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 20:58 +0000, GofBorg wrote:
....snip...
> real world usage. Ultimately, rotating platters are a dead tech..good
> riddance.


Perhaps. But I hope you're not talking about flash/SSD. If you're
talking about battery backed up persistent RAM or something... maybe.

SSD/flash have horrible failure rates... and people complain more
when it happens due to the high cost.

If you were to ask me which one would last longer, a contemporary
Seagate or the best SLC Flash out there, it might be a toss up.
(actually, I do believe the Seagate will fail first... probably won't
make it past 1 year).


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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

Back in my day we saved data to a "Fileserver"

Now get off my lawn.... you young whippersnappers...


"Stevo" <steveSPAM@LESSccgov.net> wrote in message
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>I think I heard Patrick Farrell say something like:
>
>> Raid on desktops just seems to increase the likelihood of failure.
>> Better to just have good backups.

>
> That or don't save critical data to a desktop, save it somewhere more
> secure.
>
> --
> Stevo



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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

I think I heard JimT say something like:

> Back in my day we saved data to a "Fileserver"
>
> Now get off my lawn.... you young whippersnappers...


Who you callin whippersnapper? I'm all about saving to a fileserver.

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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 23:44 +0000, Stevo wrote:
> I think I heard JimT say something like:
>
> > Back in my day we saved data to a "Fileserver"
> >
> > Now get off my lawn.... you young whippersnappers...

>
> Who you callin whippersnapper? I'm all about saving to a fileserver.
>


Papertape FTW!!



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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

>
> For every Seagate horror story, there's one for Western Digital,
> Hitachi, Maxtor, IBM, you name it. It happens to all of them.
>

Agreed -- bring back Miniscribe!


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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

> Yep. Getting worse daily too. Prolly why raid is becoming so popular
> on desktops. 😛


I've noticed that as well -- for a long time reliability pretty much
across the board was really good. It seems that over the past year
things have stepped back a bit.

Then again, those users going with Desktop RAID 0 with three drives in a
minitower probably deserve what happens to them.


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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate


100 users saving all their MP3's, JPG's and videos to a server -- nice.


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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

I've NEVER even set up a RAID 0 array -- even with the Promise RAID
controllers I used to mess with -- always RAID 1. Then again, my
storage requirements haven't been that big (the only big storage needs
I've had are for forensic images -- and for that I'll make a full
forensics copy). After the case closes I get to re-use the drives.




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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

> Isn't that like saying "it's not a quarter to 8:00, it's 7:45"? 🙂
>

I figured someone would pick up on that.



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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

> Yes, but not everyone has a grasp of all the RAID levels.

Isn't RAID 3 three times better than RAID 1?


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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

Core International.......
<G>


"Barry Schnur" <Bschnur@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> For every Seagate horror story, there's one for Western Digital,
>> Hitachi, Maxtor, IBM, you name it. It happens to all of them.
>>

> Agreed -- bring back Miniscribe!
>
>
> --
> Barry Schnur


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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

> Core International.......
> <G>
>

Mainframer!


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Re: Never again, goodbye Seagate

I think I heard Barry Schnur say something like:

>
> 100 users saving all their MP3's, JPG's and videos to a server --
> nice.


You hackin into my server?!?!

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