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New Solar Energy options in Colorado

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We have those here...the only thing stopping me is wondering what the next
generation will look like!!

I hear they are working on cells in walls, basically invisible to the naked
eye.
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> Woot!
>
> http://coloradosenate.org/home/inthenews/colorado-law-opens-way-for-solar-energy-leases
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Craig wrote:

> We have those here...the only thing stopping me is wondering what the next
> generation will look like!!
>
> I hear they are working on cells in walls, basically invisible to the
> naked eye.


I'd have to see what the lease looks like of course. Maybe see if there is
some "upgrade" options down the road, etc. There are some really
interesting advancements even in the past few years that could very well
bring prices down everywhere. It's like all technology though - if you keep
waiting for things to get less expensive, you never buy, because once prices
start falling, they seem to tumble almost daily <heehee>

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I know! The other thing is that I have an ARM on the house, so will I refi?
Move out? Move up?

The lease deals also kind of come with the stipulation that the next owner
assumes the agreement or you bury the cost in the resale. If I'm still
underwater in a few years it'll be even more under if I have to absorb the
solar.

However................. another small fact is that I don't use much
electricity, so when I ran the c/b calculator they said my lease would
actually be a little higher than my utility bill.

I still may do it since I think most believe that utility bills will most
likely only increase.

Here's a local lease company:

http://www.solarcity.com/residential/




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> Craig wrote:
>
>> We have those here...the only thing stopping me is wondering what the
>> next
>> generation will look like!!
>>
>> I hear they are working on cells in walls, basically invisible to the
>> naked eye.

>
> I'd have to see what the lease looks like of course. Maybe see if there
> is
> some "upgrade" options down the road, etc. There are some really
> interesting advancements even in the past few years that could very well
> bring prices down everywhere. It's like all technology though - if you
> keep
> waiting for things to get less expensive, you never buy, because once
> prices
> start falling, they seem to tumble almost daily <heehee>
>
> --
> Danita
> Novell Knowledge Partner
> Moving GroupWise to Linux?
> http://www.caledonia.net/gwmove.html



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Craig wrote:

> However................. another small fact is that I don't use much
> electricity,


I use a lot - as you might imagine. I have 5 servers in the basement, on
24/7.

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A great idea to stimulate homes getting off the grid. In this day/age, it always makes sense to move homes off the grid and let them gen their own electricity. Not sure about you folks out in CO, but I get tired of brown/black outs from time to time. The UPS just go crazy beeping and that can ruin a good nights sleep. 🙂

The new solar tech using nano tech is supposed to quantum-ly increase the number of 'photo' cells per inch but I think those are still about 2-4 years away. 1 current cell panel would fit in about a 1ft. sq. area in the near future -or so we are told.

Add a small wind mill and you have a great system. Any reason we cannot have windmills on homes like we have sat. dishes??

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From: DZanre<dzanre@no-mx.forums.novell.com>
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Date: 10/14/2009 4:53 PM
Subject: New Solar Energy options in Colorado
Woot!

http://coloradosenate.org/home/inthenews/colorado-law-opens-way-for-solar-energy-leases

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Gregg A. Hinchman wrote:

>Not sure about you folks out in CO, but I get tired of
> brown/black outs from time to time. The UPS just go crazy beeping and that
> can ruin a good nights sleep. 🙂


We really don't have that problem out here - we're still a lot of wide open
space. I mean the entire population of Colorado is something like 5
million, with 1/2 of that being in the Denver metro area! Out where we live
(which is at the bottom southeast edge of the metro area - still SOME space
between us and them) we actually get our electricity from Intermountain
Rural Electric Association. Used to be that power down here was a little
"over the top". If we didn't have lightbulbs rated at 130watts (most are
120) we would blow them more often than normal. That seems to have been
smoothed out over the years. You have to understand that when we moved here
21 years ago, the population of our town was 1000 - now it's about 25000 -
and so some small good has come from that increase - but only a small good )

> Add a small wind mill and you have a great system. Any reason we cannot
> have windmills on homes like we have sat. dishes??


Don't suppose you saw last week's episode of Bones 🙂 ?

But anyway, it's almost criminal to not REQUIRE solar panels on every home
in Colorado considering the amount of sun we get!

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I did not see Bones -just never got to start with it. Let me guess -they brought up the windmill/dish thing.

Solar and Wind in CO -lots of it. Yes there should be built in for the homes. In my 'second home' (in my head and given the amount of time spent there) of Estes Park the wind there is great and consistent. Other places in CO like Ouray it makes sense as well. (spent a lot of time there as well -nice ice walls in winter)

I need to find a good job in CO -or win the lottery. 🙂

Take Care.

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From: DZanre<dzanre@no-mx.forums.novell.com>
To:novell.community.chat
Date: 10/15/2009 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: New Solar Energy options in Colorado
Gregg A. Hinchman wrote:


>Not sure about you folks out in CO, but I get tired of
> brown/black outs from time to time. The UPS just go crazy beeping and that
> can ruin a good nights sleep. 🙂


We really don't have that problem out here - we're still a lot of wide open
space. I mean the entire population of Colorado is something like 5
million, with 1/2 of that being in the Denver metro area! Out where we live
(which is at the bottom southeast edge of the metro area - still SOME space
between us and them) we actually get our electricity from Intermountain
Rural Electric Association. Used to be that power down here was a little
"over the top". If we didn't have lightbulbs rated at 130watts (most are
120) we would blow them more often than normal. That seems to have been
smoothed out over the years. You have to understand that when we moved here
21 years ago, the population of our town was 1000 - now it's about 25000 -
and so some small good has come from that increase - but only a small good )


> Add a small wind mill and you have a great system. Any reason we cannot
> have windmills on homes like we have sat. dishes??


Don't suppose you saw last week's episode of Bones 🙂 ?

But anyway, it's almost criminal to not REQUIRE solar panels on every home
in Colorado considering the amount of sun we get!

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At least in CO you have sun. I think I saw a chart (Fine HomeBuilding I believe) where NY (northeast practically) only gets like MAYBE 3.5kwh/year for sun. So in other words, it doesn't make any sense here to install a system that does more than that because you won't get enough sun.

Further, (again talking about NY/northeast), even at that max, you MIGHT be able to generate 500-600kwh/month.

Given that the average (in Albany) useage is about 1,000 kwh/month, and our rates (including delivery charges) are about $0.145 per kw, you'd "save" about $70/month (again, assuming max).

Unfortunately even with the tax incentives, a 1,000kwh system will cost you about $8,000 (that doesn't include the cost of the actual financing because you'd have to actually finance about $18,000 and then get your tax credit when you do your taxes). Payback would take over 10 years.

Not to mention getting to clean off the 2' of snow off the panels.

BUT, if I was in CO or someplace more sunny, I'd build myself a super insulated house and do solar.
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Gregg A. Hinchman wrote:

> I did not see Bones -just never got to start with it. Let me guess -they
> brought up the windmill/dish thing.


A guy in the neighborhood got killed because he annoyed the neighbors so
much by putting a windmill in his front yard <g>.

Get in line for the lottery buddy - I'm first 🙂

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kjhurni wrote:

> At least in CO you have sun. I think I saw a chart (Fine HomeBuilding I
> believe) where NY (northeast practically) only gets like MAYBE 3.5kwh/year
> for sun. So in other words, it doesn't make any sense here to install a
> system that does more than that because you won't get enough sun.


Interestingly though, I was watching Renovation Nation the other night, and
they were putting solar water heater pipes on a roof in SEATTLE. It seems
that you don't really need direct/bright sunlight for solar systems to work
for some things. You might not generate electricity, but you can still heat
water. They had the water up to 120F within just a couple of hours, and the
weather looked just bleak at the time (we set our tankless heater to between
115 and 120 depending on the season). So, it sounds to me like there are
very few places where you couldn't benefit in SOME way from solar.

I don't think using Solar energy would have any adverse ecological
ramifications. I do sometimes wonder about Wind and Geothermal though.
Right now, with the relatively light use of wind power and geothermal wells
it looks really cool. What if EVERYONE used Wind though - would it
adversely affect weather trends to divert wind? If everyone dug geothermal
wells and we pulled all of this heat out of the Earth, would that cause long
term problems? No idea. But we've done a lot of things in the past 200
years that were supposed to be "cool" that have turned out to be pretty
awful <g>.

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Yeah, the solar water heater could work.

Although from what I just read (if one believes everything one reads) I think it was either in Fine HomeBuilding or Family Handyman, the average $1,000 cost for the system (plus the water heater) and it only lasted about 10 years, didn't really pay off in the colder parts of the country.

Of course, I've seen "do it yourself" kits for that for like $400 or so.

I know in Hawaii almost everyone (on the Big Island anyway) had solar hot water heat because nat gas/propane is virtually non-existent (hard to pipe through hardened lava) and their electrical rates are like $0.45/kw (eesh)

I did upgrade my heater to a high energy efficient one (the kind with a blower moter on it). I went from a 40 gallon nat. gas to a 50 gallon with the power vent. So I'm using more hot water, but my gas useage was cut almost in half for the more efficient unit. Granted, the unit was 2x the price of the regular kind you'd get a like HD or something.

I do have a few spots I need to insulate in the basement there though so I'll try to do that soon.

I've been looking at this solar "heater" thingy that you attach to the side of your house and it supposedly (not sure how) can heat 1-2 rooms. I can't remember the name of the thing though.

It's like a 4x8 panel or something and it uses like a 4" hole in the wall to pass the heated air or something.
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kjhurni wrote:

> Although from what I just read (if one believes everything one reads) I
> think it was either in Fine HomeBuilding or Family Handyman, the average
> $1,000 cost for the system (plus the water heater) and it only lasted
> about 10 years, didn't really pay off in the colder parts of the country.


well, that's the problem really - alternative energy really isn't "cost
effective" yet. Most people in the mainland US do not participate in
alternative energy because it really saves them money. They do it for the
bigger benefits (i.e., a commitment to trying to make it cost effective down
the road).

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kjhurni wrote:

> I've been looking at this solar "heater" thingy that you attach to the
> side of your house and it supposedly (not sure how) can heat 1-2 rooms. I
> can't remember the name of the thing though.
>
> It's like a 4x8 panel or something and it uses like a 4" hole in the wall
> to pass the heated air or something.


When you remember - let me know!

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Are you planning on moving soon? The other thing that's important is that
the lease company basically takes your tax credits and benefits. You could
own it outright and save some cash.
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>
>> However................. another small fact is that I don't use much
>> electricity,

>
> I use a lot - as you might imagine. I have 5 servers in the basement, on
> 24/7.
>
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