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Novell and Microsoft surprise (or not)

I just have to share with you guys what I witnessed today, I won't be surprised if this is not happening only here in Bulgaria and nobody admits it, but I tell you - I was shocked. Let me start from a bit far away.

Ever since Novell signed the cooperation agreement with Microsoft, we were keeping in line with Novell's direction to be open-minded about integrating Microsoft technologies into Novell infrastructures, even promoting installation of Novell products on Windows servers, etc. Even more, we have always emphasized that Novell technologies are multi-platform, that they integrate seamlessly with AD, etc., etc. It was also stated in the same cooperation agreement, that Microsoft will embrace SUSE linux as the preferred linux system to integrate into MS environments, and will even sell SUSE to its customers. Maybe this is the case in the US, but oh dear, this whole picture has nothing to do with the reality here.

I agree that Microsoft currently has the biggest market share for its systems, and currently Novell is quite "small" in market share, relative to Microsoft. At least here, Novell is trying to survive with what has left after the management decisions/strategy from the last 10 years until now. There are very few new clients, and mostly in the SMB sector. In the context of the cooperation between the companies, I would say that Microsoft is a "bear" and Novell is an "ant". Currently the ant is trying to sit on the same table with the bear, and waits for the bear's left-overs. It's an ugly way to say it, but that's how I see it, and this vision of mine just got confirmed (again) today. In the past it was the other way around, but I don't remember Microsoft (in the ant position) selling Novell-integrable (NetWare or e-Directory compatible) applications. They went their own way and became the "bear". Truth is that today, Microsoft's systems are all tightly integrated with their AD and Exchange, and they don't work (at all, or well) with other non-Microsoft systems.

Going back to what I witnessed today. One of the few left Novell-built government organizations here got a new consultant few months ago. The consultant has "consulted" the Minister that the whole infrastructure should be replaced by Microsoft products. We're talking about a relatively large organization (600-700 users), and pure Novell infrastructure working since I can't remember how many years. OES, GroupWise, iPrint, Access Manager, ZENworks CM, you name it - all Novell systems, up-to-date, supported and working. So, new IT staff has been hired, some of the old staff were "left" and a group was organized to perform the migration. Of course, since we are the ones who built and support the whole system, we were asked to come to a meeting and discuss some points that were not very clear to the group. And guess who was on that meeting - Microsoft Bulgaria. 3 of them. Officially they have nothing to do with this. But in practice - they are the ones behind all of it. The whole migration project is their doing through one of their partners. It's a struggle for them to do the migration (as they have no idea what they are migrating from) and they've asked us to give them an offer to migrate our systems to Microsoft! So, Novell may sign whatever agreements with MS, but MS is slowly taking over what's left, and they don't want to hear about co-existing in a Novell infrastructure. They are migrating everything and don't care how great Novell systems work on Windows servers and with AD.

I hope the new Attachmate management will reconsider Novell's marketing strategy, and lead Novell to become a "bear" again. Because, for me, being the happy ant waiting for few left-overs, is humiliating. Being a Novell CNE and CNI, and involved with Novell systems for many many years, it's a pain to see what's happening and where Novell is going during the past several years.

Maybe I'm still affected by this meeting today but this is what I think of Novell's agreement with Microsoft:
##@%!%#!#@$#@$!#@%@%##@%#$#%#$!@!@!!!EFQ$##$#@$@EDD@!E@!!

Novell, remember who you were and what you were doing, and think where are you now. Currently you are producing "pieces" of software. It's not integrated anymore. OES, GW, ZENworks - they are completely independent systems now. AD for GroupWise - do you really think a Microsoft shop will go that way instead to Exchange? I doubt it. Drop the development of Windows versions of your server products. Nobody cares that your software is multiplatform. Concentrate on SUSE, it's a great OS with huge potential, develop all products for SUSE only! If you stop developing Windows versions, you may concentrate the efforts on linux, and cut costs and prices as well. Increase quality, it has dropped tremendously over the years! Stop serving Microsoft, they are not your friend.

I just hope all my dedication to Novell and efforts during the past years were not in vain...
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ashmoore Absent Member.
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Re: Novell and Microsoft surprise (or not)

While I do not agree with the solution, I definitely agree with the sentiment.
It is a very bad sign when your products integrate with the competition better than they integrate with your own.
Why has taken three time longer than it should have to even suggest leaving C1 behind - ZCM has replaced ZEN7 and has progressed into a great product in the space of one GW version change.

Or why are there no "click here" options to integrate another Novell product?
I'm looking at you Access Manager, Vibe, ZCM, iManager, OES, SLED.

-----x==---x===----- I used to be an eagle......
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simeonof Frequent Contributor.
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Re: Novell and Microsoft surprise (or not)

Off-topic

I'm afraid that one day we may be in a situation when the more appropriate word in replacement of "better" (It is a very bad sign when your products integrate with the competition better than they integrate with your own.) may be "as bad as". All my hopes rely on Attachmate and their commitment to return engineering excellence back to what everybody associates the brand with. Otherwise it could end up the same as the "all-season-tyres" for your car - they don't work in the spring, they don't work in the summer, they don't work in the autumn and they don't work in the winter. Unless you drive really really slow.

I agree that C1 should be replaced with a better tool, but I don't think system management should be torn apart. I thought iManager would be the tool going forward, but unfortunately that is not the case.

Right now we have:

Some OES services - iManager
DNS/DHCP - Java DNS/DHCP Console
iFolder - iFolder admin portal
ZCM - ZenWorks Control Center
GW - ConsoleOne and later - upcoming web administration tool
Access Manager - iManager (special edition). I'm curious to see what will happen with it now, as NAM moved to NetIQ.

What is wrong with centralized and unified management?

Anyway, my own opinion technology-wise is not so important, just wanted to let you guys know what MS is doing and be aware of their strategies in order to protect yourselves accordingly and prevent the same happening elsewhere.

Cheers.




ashmoore;2175316 wrote:
While I do not agree with the solution, I definitely agree with the sentiment.
It is a very bad sign when your products integrate with the competition better than they integrate with your own.
Why has taken three time longer than it should have to even suggest leaving C1 behind - ZCM has replaced ZEN7 and has progressed into a great product in the space of one GW version change.

Or why are there no "click here" options to integrate another Novell product?
I'm looking at you Access Manager, Vibe, ZCM, iManager, OES, SLED.
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Novell and Microsoft surprise (or not)

One would think that Attachmate would come with something clever like … oh, let’s say “WebMin” (eDirectory Management and Reporting | DSRAZOR for eDirectory
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Novell and Microsoft surprise (or not)

On 3/23/2012 4:06 PM, leroyjjr wrote:
>
> One would think that Attachmate would come with something clever like �
> oh, let�s say �WebMin� ('Webmin' (http://www.webmin.com)) � which is for
> Linux Management.


Thumbs up for Webmin!

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Simeonof;2174644 wrote:
I just have to share with you guys what I witnessed today, I won't be surprised if this is not happening only here in Bulgaria and nobody admits it, but I tell you - I was shocked. Let me start from a bit far away.

Ever since Novell signed the cooperation agreement with Microsoft, we were keeping in line with Novell's direction to be open-minded about integrating Microsoft technologies into Novell infrastructures, even promoting installation of Novell products on Windows servers, etc. Even more, we have always emphasized that Novell technologies are multi-platform, that they integrate seamlessly with AD, etc., etc. It was also stated in the same cooperation agreement, that Microsoft will embrace SUSE linux as the preferred linux system to integrate into MS environments, and will even sell SUSE to its customers. Maybe this is the case in the US, but oh dear, this whole picture has nothing to do with the reality here.

I agree that Microsoft currently has the biggest market share for its systems, and currently Novell is quite "small" in market share, relative to Microsoft. At least here, Novell is trying to survive with what has left after the management decisions/strategy from the last 10 years until now. There are very few new clients, and mostly in the SMB sector. In the context of the cooperation between the companies, I would say that Microsoft is a "bear" and Novell is an "ant". Currently the ant is trying to sit on the same table with the bear, and waits for the bear's left-overs. It's an ugly way to say it, but that's how I see it, and this vision of mine just got confirmed (again) today. In the past it was the other way around, but I don't remember Microsoft (in the ant position) selling Novell-integrable (NetWare or e-Directory compatible) applications. They went their own way and became the "bear". Truth is that today, Microsoft's systems are all tightly integrated with their AD and Exchange, and they don't work (at all, or well) with other non-Microsoft systems.

Going back to what I witnessed today. One of the few left Novell-built government organizations here got a new consultant few months ago. The consultant has "consulted" the Minister that the whole infrastructure should be replaced by Microsoft products. We're talking about a relatively large organization (600-700 users), and pure Novell infrastructure working since I can't remember how many years. OES, GroupWise, iPrint, Access Manager, ZENworks CM, you name it - all Novell systems, up-to-date, supported and working. So, new IT staff has been hired, some of the old staff were "left" and a group was organized to perform the migration. Of course, since we are the ones who built and support the whole system, we were asked to come to a meeting and discuss some points that were not very clear to the group. And guess who was on that meeting - Microsoft Bulgaria. 3 of them. Officially they have nothing to do with this. But in practice - they are the ones behind all of it. The whole migration project is their doing through one of their partners. It's a struggle for them to do the migration (as they have no idea what they are migr

ating from) and they've asked us to give them an offer to migrate our systems to Microsoft! So, Novell may sign whatever agreements with MS, but MS is slowly taking over what's left, and they don't want to hear about co-existing in a Novell infrastructure. They are migrating everything and don't care how great Novell systems work on Windows servers and with AD.

I hope the new Attachmate management will reconsider Novell's marketing strategy, and lead Novell to become a "bear" again. Because, for me, being the happy ant waiting for few left-overs, is humiliating. Being a Novell CNE and CNI, and involved with Novell systems for many many years, it's a pain to see what's happening and where Novell is going during the past several years.

Maybe I'm still affected by this meeting today but this is what I think of Novell's agreement with Microsoft:
##@%!%#!#@$#@$!#@%@%##@%#$#%#$!@!@!!!EFQ$##$#@$@EDD@!E@!!

Novell, remember who you were and what you were doing, and think where are you now. Currently you are producing "pieces" of software. It's not integrated anymore. OES, GW, ZENworks - they are completely independent systems now. AD for GroupWise - do you really think a Microsoft shop will go that way instead to Exchange? I doubt it
. Drop the development of Windows versions of your server products. Nobody cares that your softw
are is multiplatform. Concentrate on SUSE, it's a great OS with huge potential, develop all products for SUSE only! If you stop developing Windowsversions, you may concentrate the efforts on linux, and cut costs and prices as well. Increase quality, it has dropped tremendously over the years! Stop serving Microsoft, they are not your friend.

I just hope all my dedication to Novell and efforts during the past years were not in vain...


Good luck with that!!
I've seen the decline too for many years. Invested alot and sad to say to you....it a'int happening
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bpenris1 Absent Member.
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I don't really understand why you would say that no one cares if Novell's products are platform independent. Have you seen sales numbers, Simeonof? I can't speak for other parts of the world but I see a lot of school moving to a Windows ZCM implementation. Consultants tell me that about 60% of all new ZCM projects they do are Windows based, basically because it's such an awesome product but they don't want to hassle with more than one server OS. Okay, you might lose the odd percent of performance but this is negated by the costs of training your IT-staff to troubleshoot a different OS for which the learning curve can be quite steep.
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