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Arjen_Robben Absent Member.
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Novell has killed all Novell shops

...how many Novell to MS migrations are we seeing in the job ads! They made a big mistake ditching NetWare...
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

Count me among them....but I've only been on Netware since the early 90s!
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> ..how many Novell to MS migrations are we seeing in the job ads! They
> made a big mistake ditching NetWare...
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

Arjen Robben wrote:
> ..how many Novell to MS migrations are we seeing in the job ads! They
> made a big mistake ditching NetWare...
>


I'd disagree. I think Netware is reaching the end of it's useful life.
The lack of 64 bits is going to kill it sooner or later.

The problem was and continues to be poor linux execution.

Novell needs to look at why RedHat customers aren't SuSe customers.
What is RedHat offering that they aren't. Novell has a robust
enterprise class product in eDirectory that should be a good value for
Linux.

So what is it about Redhat that drives corporations there when they
choose enterprise Linux?

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Arjen_Robben Absent Member.
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

So why couldn't/didn't Novell develop a Netware 64-bit OS the same as Microsoft developed one for Windows server.
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

Hey Arjen Robben:

>Novell develop a Netware 64-bit OS the same as
>Microsoft developed one for Windows server.


Probably because not enough people were buying it to support the
development effort.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

They bought SuSE when the IT world was sure "Linux was the way", NetWare
fell by the wayside. Besides, even with a x64 based NetWare, how successful
do you think it would have been? Application developers still may not have
jumped on the platform...

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kgroneman wrote:
> Hey Arjen Robben:
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>> Novell develop a Netware 64-bit OS the same as
>> Microsoft developed one for Windows server.

>
> Probably because not enough people were buying it to support the
> development effort.
>


Anyone remember the promise of the "SuperNOS"

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

SuperNOS, yeah, wasn't that supposed to be the marriage of NetWare 4 &
Unixware?

"Patrick Farrell" <pfarrell@packereng.com> wrote in message
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> kgroneman wrote:
>> Hey Arjen Robben:
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>>> Novell develop a Netware 64-bit OS the same as
>>> Microsoft developed one for Windows server.

>>
>> Probably because not enough people were buying it to support the
>> development effort.
>>

>
> Anyone remember the promise of the "SuperNOS"
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Keith V. Klenke wrote:
> SuperNOS, yeah, wasn't that supposed to be the marriage of NetWare 4 &
> Unixware?
>


Yup.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SMG/is_n12_v15/ai_17908988/
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Arjen_Robben;1887477 wrote:
...how many Novell to MS migrations are we seeing in the job ads! They made a big mistake ditching NetWare...




I am seeing to many for my tastes. I am lucky in that I am still seeing a few places staying with Novell, but first the state of VA, CA, and who knows what is next? I am most disappointed to see the news about needing a maintenance agreement to get patches, I thought that Novell had asked its customers and they thought this was a "terrible" idea yet Novell went ahead with the plans anyway. Does Novell simply want to go out of business, because from what I can see they are doing a great job of it. First NetWare, GroupWise, and OES2 issues that are making more people just toss Novell aside. I agree with others that NetWare was end of life, I think OES2 could be a great product but there has to be changes in Novell Management/Marketing to make the product more widely accepted
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

I think OES2 above all needs to become more integrated and easier to
manage. It feels too much of a collection of independent tools rather than
a well integrated whole.

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Marcel Cox wrote:
> I think OES2 above all needs to become more integrated and easier to
> manage. It feels too much of a collection of independent tools rather
> than a well integrated whole.


I think that is characteristic of Linux anyhow though, regardless of
whose flavour it is.
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

Hi,

David Howe wrote:
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> Marcel Cox wrote:
> > I think OES2 above all needs to become more integrated and easier to
> > manage. It feels too much of a collection of independent tools rather
> > than a well integrated whole.

>
> I think that is characteristic of Linux anyhow though, regardless of
> whose flavour it is.


That totally depends. The core fault of Novell was to put OES as service
on top of a full featured enterprise distro, where lots and lots of
service and features collide and actually get diametrically in the way
of what could very well be an easy and simple OS concentrating of the
needs of former Netware customers.

The original idea of some, and what would have been way way way better
was to merely replace the underlying kernel and kernel related services,
like HW drivers, network protocols and all that with a linux kernel.
Stuff like LUM, Posix rights, a whole shebang of filesystems, completely
useless use of unreliable LDAP everywhere, various different java
versions and so on and so on all get in the way of acceptance of OES,
*especially* from former Netware admins. To them, OES looks like a huge
unstructured and unmanageable mess. And that's exactly what it is.

That hasn't much to do with Linux in itself. Linux is very well capable
of being lean. But that doesn't apply to full blown enterprise distros,
and even less so when they get married with another full featured OS.
The result must look like Frankensteins Monster.

CU,
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

Craig;1887498 wrote:
Count me among them....but I've only been on Netware since the early 90s!
🙂

Not to get personal Craig... But you mistily me. Why so much time in these forums if you have moved on?? Makes me curious... 😛
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Re: Novell has killed all Novell shops

kgroneman;1887520 wrote:
Hey Arjen Robben:

>Novell develop a Netware 64-bit OS the same as
>Microsoft developed one for Windows server.


Probably because not enough people were buying it to support the
development effort.

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Kim (11/11/2009 6:57:24 PM Mountain)

And too much lack of third party application support and development perhaps? (compaired to what is possible on Linux and Windows).
Switching to Linux was a good step imo. Channeling it all into a new product (Linux services + OES) seems a harder task than was considered.

I don't find OES a bad product, but feel it could have been much more by now. It's still catching up to what Netware was/is in too many ways.
There are however strong points of value in OES2L missing in Netware (performance, process and memory management being the most apparent to me).
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