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> Craig wrote:
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>> You have dropped calls with ATT? That's weird.

>
> I use ATT and I can te



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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:19:38 GMT, Joseph Marton
<jmarton@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:
> Maybe I just saw a bum X, but when I put the X side-by-side with

the
> Incredible the X just appeared to have a grainier display.


My X has a great screen. Didn't notice much difference from the
Incredible. I hate the Moto software, their activesync client, the
eFuse killswitch, and the speaker placement on it. I love the android
OS and its touchscreen and speed though. I would recomend any HTC
phone. I've had a few and loved them all. If your choice is between
the X and the incredible I would go with the Incredible. But if you
can wait, Verizon will have LTE 4G (well, 3.9G) deployed in larger
markets by december, and im assuming a phone to run on it. LTE looks
very cool.

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:19:38 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:

> On 10/12/2010 3:42 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> The Droid seemed to have higher
>> resolution and colour depth, though, but maybe I wasn't comparing to
>> the Incredible.

>
> Maybe I just saw a bum X, but when I put the X side-by-side with the
> Incredible the X just appeared to have a grainier display. I definitely
> thought the display on the Incredible was much clearer. However, forget
> about using the Incredible in the sun.


Good to know - we got to look at both this evening, and decided on the
Incredible. Verizon's store/web "rebate" deal is a rip, though, CostCo
was the way to go. $500 up front to them, send in a 'rebate' form, and
they send you Visa debit cards of $100 per phone. To me, "Rebate" means
"we send you a cheque" not "we give you money to spend".

So $300 lighter in the wallet, phones on their way (they said 2-5 days to
drop ship them). Oh, and CostCo waives the $60 activation fee, which I'm
sure Verizon wouldn't have done for us buying direct from them.

And soon, I'm free of AT&T. I hope they get here before Friday because
I'm headed to San Jose on Monday on a business trip.

Jim



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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:07:47 +0000, Craig wrote:

> Not in SF either...being as we are the heart of the technical universe,
> and home to ATT park, you'd think we'd have a little bit of coverage,
> but alas..........


That's crazy.

Jim



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On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:19:56 +0000, Chris Cox wrote:

> Craig wrote:
>
>> You have dropped calls with ATT? That's weird.

>
> I use ATT and I can te


LOL, best answer in the thread. 🙂

Jim



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On 10/12/2010 2:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I'm considering switching from AT&T because I've had a lot of problems
> with dropped calls, and I want to move to an android-based phone.
>
> What I hear from people I work with is that Verizon has pretty good
> coverage and generally dropped calls are an exception rather than
> something we come to expect.
>
> As I've looked at phones, I've come down to two: The HTC Legend (if/when
> it becomes available in the US) or the Droid X (which is available
> through Verizon).
>
> I'm leaning towards the Droid X (largely because of the higher colour
> depth and the 3G wifi hotspot capability - always good to have a backup
> for 'net connectivity).
>
> Anyone got one and willing to share likes/dislikes? What I'm looking to
> do is buy a phone that's going to last me at least 2 years and gets me
> off AT&T.
>
> The only thing that's got me hesitating is the base plan price - I just
> got my AT&T bill down to about $70/month, and Verizon is a little more
> expensive with the unlimited data plan and lowest minute rate plan (450,
> but I tend to use the phone for data more than voice anyways - does
> Verizon roll minutes over like AT&T?). Wondering if I'm missing an
> option there. SMS isn't a big issue for me since I have Google Voice and
> can receive messages on that number.
>
> Jim


Verizon definitely does spend some bucks on their network compared to
other providers including for stuff such as backup generators.

The Droid X is a pretty chunky device. And one of the big turnoffs is
that they use an encrypted bootloader so if you are inclined to tinker
such as by stripping the bloatware out it is a lot harder.

If you want a nice screen (and a much thinner device) you may want to
look at the Galaxy S branded as the "fascinate" on VZW.

VZW doesn't rollover minutes.


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On 10/12/2010 10:05 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:19:38 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:
>
>> On 10/12/2010 3:42 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> The Droid seemed to have higher
>>> resolution and colour depth, though, but maybe I wasn't comparing to
>>> the Incredible.

>>
>> Maybe I just saw a bum X, but when I put the X side-by-side with the
>> Incredible the X just appeared to have a grainier display. I definitely
>> thought the display on the Incredible was much clearer. However, forget
>> about using the Incredible in the sun.

>
> Good to know - we got to look at both this evening, and decided on the
> Incredible. Verizon's store/web "rebate" deal is a rip, though, CostCo
> was the way to go. $500 up front to them, send in a 'rebate' form, and
> they send you Visa debit cards of $100 per phone. To me, "Rebate" means
> "we send you a cheque" not "we give you money to spend".



They used to send a debit card but you still had to do the rebate dance
and submit it properly. VZW changed a few months back where if you buy
it online they process the rebate at time of purchase.

>
> So $300 lighter in the wallet, phones on their way (they said 2-5 days to
> drop ship them). Oh, and CostCo waives the $60 activation fee, which I'm
> sure Verizon wouldn't have done for us buying direct from them.
>
> And soon, I'm free of AT&T. I hope they get here before Friday because
> I'm headed to San Jose on Monday on a business trip.
>
> Jim
>
>
>


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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:50:26 +0000, George wrote:

>> they send you Visa debit cards of $100 per phone. To me, "Rebate"
>> means "we send you a cheque" not "we give you money to spend".

>
>
> They used to send a debit card but you still had to do the rebate dance
> and submit it properly. VZW changed a few months back where if you buy
> it online they process the rebate at time of purchase.


Interesting, I wonder why the guy in the store didn't say anything about
that. Probably because he wouldn't get as big a commission if we didn't
pay "full price" in store. As it happens, he got $0 commission.

Jim

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:45:27 +0000, George wrote:

> Verizon definitely does spend some bucks on their network compared to
> other providers including for stuff such as backup generators.
>
> The Droid X is a pretty chunky device. And one of the big turnoffs is
> that they use an encrypted bootloader so if you are inclined to tinker
> such as by stripping the bloatware out it is a lot harder.
>
> If you want a nice screen (and a much thinner device) you may want to
> look at the Galaxy S branded as the "fascinate" on VZW.


My stepson is doing the Galaxy S in the next couple of months, so it'll
be interesting to compare the two.

Thanks!

Jim



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On 10/12/2010 10:17 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

> Interesting, I wonder why the guy in the store didn't say anything about
> that. Probably because he wouldn't get as big a commission if we didn't
> pay "full price" in store. As it happens, he got $0 commission.


I don't know what store you went to, but I've never heard of a new VZW
customer paying full price for a phone unless they weren't signing a
contract. As long as you do at least a one year contract you get a
subsidized price, and if you sign a two year then you get the cheapest
subsidized price which is what they normally advertise, typically $299.
Then there's the $100 rebate which last time I did (for my wife on an
upgrade just a couple of months ago) I had to still send in paperwork.
Only took 2-3 weeks to get the rebate card, though.

Nice thing about the store I went to... they allowed me to charge $100
of the phone cost to the account, paid the rest that day. Then by the
time the bill came with the $100 charge I had the rebate card so I just
went into the store to pay that bill. Used the rebate card towards the
bill, and then wrote a check for the remainder which amounted to the
normal monthly cost.

No matter what, though, I'm really curious why they were trying to
charge you full retail. Sounds like they were scamming you.

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> So the issue then is fixed?


Yes, it was finally fixed with the update to Froyo on the X. Took Mot
quite a while to get that out.


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On 10/12/10 7:19 PM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> On 10/12/2010 3:42 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> The Droid seemed to have higher
>> resolution and colour depth, though, but maybe I wasn't comparing to the
>> Incredible.

>
> Maybe I just saw a bum X, but when I put the X side-by-side with the
> Incredible the X just appeared to have a grainier display. I definitely
> thought the display on the Incredible was much clearer. However, forget
> about using the Incredible in the sun.
>


Mine works fine in the sun. I have the brightness set to auto adjust to
light. I will also note that one of the problems I do have is when the
screen gets all smudged up.

I will note the brightness adjust doesn't seem to work before you unlock
the phone though. That is annoying. However, once unlocked I don't
have any problem reading the display except when it's really dirty.
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On 10/12/10 9:01 PM, Adam Gabriel wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:19:38 GMT, Joseph Marton
> <jmarton@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:
>> Maybe I just saw a bum X, but when I put the X side-by-side with

> the
>> Incredible the X just appeared to have a grainier display.

>
> My X has a great screen. Didn't notice much difference from the
> Incredible. I hate the Moto software, their activesync client, the eFuse
> killswitch, and the speaker placement on it. I love the android OS and
> its touchscreen and speed though. I would recomend any HTC phone. I've
> had a few and loved them all. If your choice is between the X and the
> incredible I would go with the Incredible. But if you can wait, Verizon
> will have LTE 4G (well, 3.9G) deployed in larger markets by december,
> and im assuming a phone to run on it. LTE looks very cool.


I like the sound quality of the HTC phones. So much better than any
other phone I've ever had.
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Some things to remember...

All android phones require you to have gmail or google apps account.
What ever gmail account you use to setup the phone on is the only
account you will be able to use the calendar on. E-mail and contacts
will work across multiple accounts.

Of course if you don't use google apps or gmail for calendaring then
this won't particularly be a problem as third party apps exist for
exchange and other groupware apps.

I had to reset my phone because I set it up with my personal gmail
account but needed to sync my work's google apps calendar. Just a heads up.

The other thing to remember is download the 'advanced app killer'. It is
handy for killing all those apps that are annoying. Don't kill apps
that automatically restart though. Just waste battery power.

And my last thing. If the phone comes with version 2.1 on it I would
recommend updating to 2.2 as soon as possible. Battery life is loads
better.
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Matthew wrote:

> All android phones require you to have gmail or google apps account.


You don't have to have one. You just can't use the Market without one.

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