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DougB wrote:
> *Disclaimer: I have never owned a Chrysler product



Then that's the most reliable vehicle in the world.

Statistically speaking I have no idea what car is the best in
reliability. If you listen to the commercials they all are because J.D.
Power and Associates say they are. 😛
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Blasphemer! Blasphemer! =D

I mostly agree with you on that. In general they kind of lag behind it
would seem, but they all produce a car or two that's pretty good.
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On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 19:55 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:12:59 +0000, Mary Matthews wrote:
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> > I always find that saying funny as all my Fords have run for years with
> > no problems, while all my GMs have been nightmarish. Hence, the name
> > for my 1970 Pontiac LeMans - "Jaws".

>
> All American cars stink. That's why the Big Three are all in the tank.


I agree with that 100%. I have lots of my friends say that's not
true... but they all drive American cars with TONS of issues that are in
the shop all of the time, or their trying their hand and home repair. I
think people think differently about what quality means.

For me, when I get in the car, the car starts.... it's not some kind of
probability game. For others, I think they're satisified if their car
runs "ok" most of the time. And that's about all I can say about US car
manufacturers.

Cab forward = how to put the battery behind the wheel well so that you
have to take off the wheel in order to get to the battery.

My car only goes to the shop when something major (normal service) needs
fixing. Other than that, I just change the oil regularly (my car tells
me when that's needed) and the it runs. It's a Honda. And it gets
40mpg no matter how you drive it (US carmakers are clueless... they
build expensive gas guzzling shoddy tanks... shoot I remember when we
use to buy trucks because they were CHEAP... not anymore).




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>> I always find that saying funny as all my Fords have run for years with
>> no problems, while all my GMs have been nightmarish. Hence, the name
>> for my 1970 Pontiac LeMans - "Jaws".

>
> All American cars stink. That's why the Big Three are all in the tank.


I wouldn't say they stink, they just don't meet today's expectations.
GM fell asleep at the wheel in the 70's, made a modest recovery rested on
it's laurels and got crushed during the latest 'gas crisis'.

GM still has arguably some of the most bulletproof engines and transmissions
ever built. I have a 99 Yukon (350 4WD) with 180k miles on it. All original.
It's all the other stuff that makes the car that they do badly. Their
suspensions aren't very sophisticated, the electronics are dubious,
performance mostly uninspiring (you have to leave the vette out) and the
designs mostly boring. It's nice that they've been rehashing some of their
past beauties, but people are still clamoring for those old styles,
especially the baby boomers.

Japanese cars aren't overly pretty either, but they don't break or fall
apart easily. They are pretty much king of the econo boxes. Euro cars are
decidedly expensive and about as troublesome as a beautiful woman.

American cars do a lot wrong, but ultimately the are providing something
that we all need, we just really don't want anymore.

Personally I want a car that will boil the rubber clean off the rims and get
me 50 mpg with the styling of a Jaguar e-type, the roominess of a Yukon and
the handling of a Mitsubishi Evo10.. LOL...fill that order please.



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On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:39:03 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

> Euro cars
> are decidedly expensive and about as troublesome as a beautiful woman.


Ours has had a few issues with the fancy gadgetry in it, but the
mechanical stuff (transmission, engine, etc) has all been rock solid so
far.



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> And just think how much those parts manufacturers are going to be making
> too! Pontiac prices skyrocketed when it was announced the line was being
> dismantled. Oh well, there goes my dream of a 1970 Pontiac GTO
> convertible.


I still don't understand the Pontiac thing. They've got plenty of nice
models out right now. The G8, G6 a new Goat .They needed to market better. I
still remember the 'We build excitement!' campaign. And they did too, at the
time the Firebird's, TA's, GrandAM's, GrandPrix were all really nice cars.

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>> Euro cars
>> are decidedly expensive and about as troublesome as a beautiful woman.

>
> Ours has had a few issues with the fancy gadgetry in it,


just tweak the knobs....

INCOMING!

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First on Race Day


Joseph Marton wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:25:29 +0000, Mary Matthews wrote:
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>> this is why I
>> prefer Fords

>
> Found On Road Dead
> Fix Or Repair Daily
>
>
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> First on Race Day

Formerly Old Rebuilt Dodge


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Jay Zie wrote:
> Oh what shall we do? More importantly how is my mom gonna get parts for
> her Saturn when GM 'tries' to sell it and no one buys it.


I want my $200 back.. (I think that's about how much of GM I own right
now).

I hate most American cars. And I've owned plenty of them. I have a
Honda ... Motorcycle, SUV and lawn mower (well, it's broke right now).

Ford? Their trucks are strong as nails. But like their entire car
line, including TODAY'S mustang, their products have no "spirit".
They're drab and just "the same" .. or at least my opinion.

GM? I've had two BRAND new GM cars, neither made more than 12 years
ago. They were BOTH a pile of rolling junk @ 60k miles.

Don't get me started on Chrysler, but mostly their problem (with the
newer generation of stuff) was their whole "no dicker sticker" thing.
The imports kicked their a$$ on prices..

On the other hand, I've had an 87 4Runner last to 325k miles (and it's
still on the road)...an 84 Toyota 2x4 truck that I sold @ 338k miles ..
a 95 4Runner that made it to 290k ..

And now I drive a Honda Pilot thats @ 75k miles and drives / runs like
it's new... (bought @ 43k .. pre-owned and certified).
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:23:00 +0000, Rob Poe wrote:

> GM? I've had two BRAND new GM cars, neither made more than 12 years
> ago. They were BOTH a pile of rolling junk @ 60k miles.


I've been extremely happy with my Saturns. First one made over 120K
miles before I burned the engine out (somehow, no longer sure what the
problem was), and the second one is still going strong after 10 years and
145,000 miles. Just replaced the original cooling fan and expecting to
get at least 200,000 out of the car itself.

Jim



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On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:14:22 +0000, Rob Poe wrote:

> First on Race Day


Sure... if it's a race made up only of Fords.



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