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Silence

Twice in the last several months I've been told that I'm not allowed to
discuss issues because I'm not *directly* affected by those issues. One
of those issues I am indirectly affected and the other was just a water
cooler issue.

Now I take issue with this notion in varying degrees. First off if the
issue has anything to do with this country and it's citizens then I have
every right to voice my opinion (educated or uneducated) same as anybody
else.

The other one I might agree with to some degree. I still think I have a
right to voice my opinion, but I would be wise to exercise my right to
remain silent. 😄
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Shhhh
"Matthew" <systemRemovEtyrant@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Twice in the last several months I've been told that I'm not allowed to
> discuss issues because I'm not *directly* affected by those issues. One
> of those issues I am indirectly affected and the other was just a water
> cooler issue.
>
> Now I take issue with this notion in varying degrees. First off if the
> issue has anything to do with this country and it's citizens then I have
> every right to voice my opinion (educated or uneducated) same as anybody
> else.
>
> The other one I might agree with to some degree. I still think I have a
> right to voice my opinion, but I would be wise to exercise my right to
> remain silent. 😄



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Does your water cooler dispense from a big bottle, or is it hooked up to
the local water pipes? I would have issues if weren't chilling the water
to an acceptable level of coolness.

Matthew wrote:
> Twice in the last several months I've been told that I'm not allowed to
> discuss issues because I'm not *directly* affected by those issues. One
> of those issues I am indirectly affected and the other was just a water
> cooler issue.
>
> Now I take issue with this notion in varying degrees. First off if the
> issue has anything to do with this country and it's citizens then I have
> every right to voice my opinion (educated or uneducated) same as anybody
> else.
>
> The other one I might agree with to some degree. I still think I have a
> right to voice my opinion, but I would be wise to exercise my right to
> remain silent. 😄

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dan c. wrote:
> Does your water cooler dispense from a big bottle, or is it hooked up to
> the local water pipes? I would have issues if weren't chilling the water
> to an acceptable level of coolness.


You have no right to discuss my water cooler (which is from the local
pipes). 😛
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HEY! Cool this! 😉

Matthew wrote:
>
> You have no right to discuss my water cooler (which is from the local
> pipes). 😛

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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:07:47 +0000, Matthew wrote:

> First off if the
> issue has anything to do with this country and it's citizens then I have
> every right to voice my opinion (educated or uneducated) same as anybody
> else.


Well, maybe yes and maybe no. In a work setting, the employer does have
the right to place limits on things pertaining to professional conduct.
If your expression of opinion is slowing down a part of the business
you're not directly involved in, then the management is within their
rights (right or wrong on the matter in question) to ask that you refrain
from injecting your opinions since they have no bearing on the outcome.

Jim
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dan c. wrote:
> HEY! Cool this! 😉


You better just chill out. =-D
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Speaking of which; the weather just changed for the worse and it's
suddenly windy and cold. 😞

Matthew wrote:
> dan c. wrote:
>> HEY! Cool this! 😉

>
> You better just chill out. =-D

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:07:47 +0000, Matthew wrote:
>
>> First off if the
>> issue has anything to do with this country and it's citizens then I have
>> every right to voice my opinion (educated or uneducated) same as anybody
>> else.

>
> Well, maybe yes and maybe no. In a work setting, the employer does have
> the right to place limits on things pertaining to professional conduct.
> If your expression of opinion is slowing down a part of the business
> you're not directly involved in, then the management is within their
> rights (right or wrong on the matter in question) to ask that you refrain
> from injecting your opinions since they have no bearing on the outcome.
>
> Jim


That goes with my other one. After all in a work environment one should
refrain from politics and religion (although few seldom do).
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dan c. said something like:

> just changed for the worse and it's suddenly windy and cold. 😞


I have heard comments (and am wearing my coat) as it was *supposed* to
be hot today, but instead it is overcast. No one cleared this with the
building engineer. It is "freezing" in here today!

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Matthew;1830064 wrote:
Twice in the last several months I've been told that I'm not allowed to
discuss issues because I'm not *directly* affected by those issues. One
of those issues I am indirectly affected and the other was just a water
cooler issue.

Now I take issue with this notion in varying degrees. First off if the
issue has anything to do with this country and it's citizens then I have
every right to voice my opinion (educated or uneducated) same as anybody
else.

The other one I might agree with to some degree. I still think I have a
right to voice my opinion, but I would be wise to exercise my right to
remain silent. 😄



It's been my general experience that those people who claim and preach to be tolerant and open-minded suddenly become intolerant and closed-minded if you disagree with them.

So, at work, I usually try to avoid talking about anything remotely political or religious (Operating Systems can be considered a religion I've found out--haha)

Personally I think anyone should be allowed to say whatever they want, no matter how disgusting or vile/hateful it may be. Maybe I should dig up my 1984 copy and re-read it again to remind myself of the Thought Police.
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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:36:22 +0000, Matthew wrote:

> That goes with my other one. After all in a work environment one should
> refrain from politics and religion (although few seldom do).


I find it varies, also depends on whether the person you're talking to is
a friend or not outside the office (or someone you know socially at work).

Jim
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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:46:02 +0000, kjhurni wrote:

> Personally I think anyone should be allowed to say whatever they want,
> no matter how disgusting or vile/hateful it may be.


Well, at the minimum, they're allowed to say it once. But with free
speech also comes responsibility, and sometimes that means living with
the consequences of exercising it.

Like the traditional "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater" - you're free
to do that, but the consequence if there isn't a fire is that you might
be charged with a crime.

Jim

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It seemed to have dropped 10-15 degrees within ten minutes. It was
*supposed* to be in the mid-high 70s today.

Lindsey Johnstone wrote:
>
>
> I have heard comments (and am wearing my coat) as it was *supposed* to
> be hot today, but instead it is overcast. No one cleared this with the
> building engineer. It is "freezing" in here today!
>

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Lindsey Johnstone apparently said:

> I have heard comments (and am wearing my coat) as it was supposed to
> be hot today, but instead it is overcast. No one cleared this with the
> building engineer. It is "freezing" in here today!


Psh, trade ya. Supposed to be in the upper 90's here through the
weekend.....................too hot for me

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