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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

Mary Matthews wrote:
> According to one Gen-Xer, the role of a help desk person is one of the
> "least" stressful jobs. I figured she's young, never been an help desk
> person, and pulled the article out of her *imagination*.
>

If all you do is read a script and pass anything difficult on to
somebody who is actually going to have to troubleshoot and fix it, then
it shouldn't be that stressful. If you're expected to actually know
stuff, then it becomes a little more difficult.

Kathryn Carruthers
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IT is the janitorial service of the "white collar profession". It just
doesnt pay as well these days as real janitorial jobs though. Nor do IT
workers get as much respect as real janitors.....

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>
> I was testing the other day at my fav testing place - and I
> noticed.....
>
> THIS PLACE IS DEAD!
>
> Seriously, no one testing, very few people taking computer classes....
> I dug around and noticed most computer training places in my city have
> folded.
>
> I asked the girl at the front desk, "how many cert tests do you guys
> perform any more?". She replied "not too many, maybe a couple a week".
>
> Now I realize this isn't the late 90's when IT was the flavor of the
> week, but without us the world would crumble (no I don't have the "IT
> God complex").
>
> Are we just not "hip" anymore, or are we just taken for granted?
> Sure we took a huge hit by the "I can make big money in computers"
> people, but haven't us die hard, bore and bred info people recovered
> our industry from that yet?
>
> I guess I've been holed away working on my network so long, that
> looking up from my keyboard is a bit of a shock. I think I'll go back
> to typing 🙂
>
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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

Mary Matthews wrote:
> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂
>
>>>> On 5/26/2008 at 1:39 PM, in message

> <uBC_j.1553$6C2.1334@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>> I can't speak for anybody else, but where I live IT jobs don't pay well.

>
>> If you want to make money in the computer world around here you have
>> to be a programmer. Coding is where the money is and it's still all
>> hip
>> and cool. Most people look at us IT people as expendable.
>>
>>
>>
>> mathew35 wrote:
>>> I was testing the other day at my fav testing place - and I
>>> noticed.....
>>>
>>> THIS PLACE IS DEAD!
>>>
>>> Seriously, no one testing, very few people taking computer classes....
>>> I dug around and noticed most computer training places in my city have
>>> folded.
>>>
>>> I asked the girl at the front desk, "how many cert tests do you guys
>>> perform any more?". She replied "not too many, maybe a couple a week".
>>>
>>> Now I realize this isn't the late 90's when IT was the flavor of the
>>> week, but without us the world would crumble (no I don't have the "IT
>>> God complex").
>>>
>>> Are we just not "hip" anymore, or are we just taken for granted?
>>> Sure we took a huge hit by the "I can make big money in computers"
>>> people, but haven't us die hard, bore and bred info people recovered
>>> our industry from that yet?
>>>
>>> I guess I've been holed away working on my network so long, that
>>> looking up from my keyboard is a bit of a shock. I think I'll go back
>>> to typing 🙂
>>>
>>>


Only if you live here. 😛

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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

Timothy Leerhoff wrote:
> Well, we are about to hire a new IT consultant. Our clients are quite
> grateful we are around. I am about to help bossman line up the
> requirements. I really got to make sure we get someone to take some of
> my load off my shoulders so I can start concentrating on the other
> responsibilities I need to cover.
>
> We may not pay as well as a comercial venture, we have outstanding
> bennies.
>


In my area the best I can hope for in an IT job is 40K. However, if I
chose to become (assuming I could) a web developer with mad skillz in
web programming I could potentially make upwards of 100k a year.

Of course that's really an apple to oranges comparison. 😛

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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

They're paid more here too,

>>> On 5/27/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message

<6BU_j.1719$6C2.230@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
> Mary Matthews wrote:
>> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂
>>
>>>>> On 5/26/2008 at 1:39 PM, in message

>> <uBC_j.1553$6C2.1334@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
>> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>>> I can't speak for anybody else, but where I live IT jobs don't pay

> well.
>>
>>> If you want to make money in the computer world around here you have


>>> to be a programmer. Coding is where the money is and it's still all
>>> hip
>>> and cool. Most people look at us IT people as expendable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mathew35 wrote:
>>>> I was testing the other day at my fav testing place - and I
>>>> noticed.....
>>>>
>>>> THIS PLACE IS DEAD!
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, no one testing, very few people taking computer

classes....
>>>> I dug around and noticed most computer training places in my city

have
>>>> folded.
>>>>
>>>> I asked the girl at the front desk, "how many cert tests do you guys
>>>> perform any more?". She replied "not too many, maybe a couple a

week".
>>>>
>>>> Now I realize this isn't the late 90's when IT was the flavor of the
>>>> week, but without us the world would crumble (no I don't have the "IT
>>>> God complex").
>>>>
>>>> Are we just not "hip" anymore, or are we just taken for granted?
>>>> Sure we took a huge hit by the "I can make big money in computers"
>>>> people, but haven't us die hard, bore and bred info people recovered
>>>> our industry from that yet?
>>>>
>>>> I guess I've been holed away working on my network so long, that
>>>> looking up from my keyboard is a bit of a shock. I think I'll go back
>>>> to typing 🙂
>>>>
>>>>

>
> Only if you live here. 😛

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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

Stoopud programmars. 😛

Mary Matthews wrote:
> They're paid more here too,
>
>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message

> <6BU_j.1719$6C2.230@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>> Mary Matthews wrote:
>>> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂
>>>
>>>>>> On 5/26/2008 at 1:39 PM, in message
>>> <uBC_j.1553$6C2.1334@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
>>> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>>>> I can't speak for anybody else, but where I live IT jobs don't pay

>> well.
>>>> If you want to make money in the computer world around here you have

>
>>>> to be a programmer. Coding is where the money is and it's still all
>>>> hip
>>>> and cool. Most people look at us IT people as expendable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mathew35 wrote:
>>>>> I was testing the other day at my fav testing place - and I
>>>>> noticed.....
>>>>>
>>>>> THIS PLACE IS DEAD!
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, no one testing, very few people taking computer

> classes....
>>>>> I dug around and noticed most computer training places in my city

> have
>>>>> folded.
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked the girl at the front desk, "how many cert tests do you guys
>>>>> perform any more?". She replied "not too many, maybe a couple a

> week".
>>>>> Now I realize this isn't the late 90's when IT was the flavor of the
>>>>> week, but without us the world would crumble (no I don't have the "IT
>>>>> God complex").
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we just not "hip" anymore, or are we just taken for granted?
>>>>> Sure we took a huge hit by the "I can make big money in computers"
>>>>> people, but haven't us die hard, bore and bred info people recovered
>>>>> our industry from that yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I've been holed away working on my network so long, that
>>>>> looking up from my keyboard is a bit of a shock. I think I'll go back
>>>>> to typing 🙂
>>>>>
>>>>>

>> Only if you live here. 😛



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Well, no one says you have to spell correctly if you're a programmer. 🙂

We had a bumper sticker at my college that stated what everyone knew about
the quality of engineer's spelling:

"I are a gradiated engeneer". 🙂

>>> On 5/27/2008 at 10:45 AM, in message

<a8V_j.1771$6C2.544@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
> Stoopud programmars. 😛
>
> Mary Matthews wrote:
>> They're paid more here too,
>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message

>> <6BU_j.1719$6C2.230@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
>> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>>> Mary Matthews wrote:
>>>> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂
>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2008 at 1:39 PM, in message
>>>> <uBC_j.1553$6C2.1334@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
>>>> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I can't speak for anybody else, but where I live IT jobs don't pay
>>> well.
>>>>> If you want to make money in the computer world around here you

have
>>
>>>>> to be a programmer. Coding is where the money is and it's still all


>>>>> hip
>>>>> and cool. Most people look at us IT people as expendable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> mathew35 wrote:
>>>>>> I was testing the other day at my fav testing place - and I
>>>>>> noticed.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THIS PLACE IS DEAD!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously, no one testing, very few people taking computer

>> classes....
>>>>>> I dug around and noticed most computer training places in my city

>> have
>>>>>> folded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked the girl at the front desk, "how many cert tests do you

guys
>>>>>> perform any more?". She replied "not too many, maybe a couple a

>> week".
>>>>>> Now I realize this isn't the late 90's when IT was the flavor of

the
>>>>>> week, but without us the world would crumble (no I don't have the

"IT
>>>>>> God complex").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we just not "hip" anymore, or are we just taken for granted?
>>>>>> Sure we took a huge hit by the "I can make big money in computers"
>>>>>> people, but haven't us die hard, bore and bred info people

recovered
>>>>>> our industry from that yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess I've been holed away working on my network so long, that
>>>>>> looking up from my keyboard is a bit of a shock. I think I'll go

back
>>>>>> to typing 🙂
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Only if you live here. 😛

>

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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

I would be guessing the range here is around the $50k mark for a
network engineer. I am hoping to get the reqs to be a Novell/Linux
familiar person. They do not have to be gurus, but know enough not to
nuke the client's system and ask me for higher end issues (I hold the
holy grail of Novell Incidents).

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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

> According to one Gen-Xer, the role of a help desk person is one of the
> "least" stressful jobs. I figured she's young,


You are probably referring to a Gen-Yer.
I am a Gen-Xer and I'm not young anymore.
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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

I thought that was normal. I speecks thut wheyz all da timz.

Mary Matthews wrote:
> Well, no one says you have to spell correctly if you're a programmer. 🙂
>
> We had a bumper sticker at my college that stated what everyone knew about
> the quality of engineer's spelling:
>
> "I are a gradiated engeneer". 🙂
>
>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 10:45 AM, in message

> <a8V_j.1771$6C2.544@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>> Stoopud programmars. 😛
>>
>> Mary Matthews wrote:
>>> They're paid more here too,
>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 10:08 AM, in message
>>> <6BU_j.1719$6C2.230@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
>>> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mary Matthews wrote:
>>>>> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2008 at 1:39 PM, in message
>>>>> <uBC_j.1553$6C2.1334@kovat.provo.novell.com>,
>>>>> Matthew<"system[remove]tyrant"@g[ee]mail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I can't speak for anybody else, but where I live IT jobs don't pay
>>>> well.
>>>>>> If you want to make money in the computer world around here you

> have
>>>>>> to be a programmer. Coding is where the money is and it's still all

>
>>>>>> hip
>>>>>> and cool. Most people look at us IT people as expendable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mathew35 wrote:
>>>>>>> I was testing the other day at my fav testing place - and I
>>>>>>> noticed.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THIS PLACE IS DEAD!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously, no one testing, very few people taking computer
>>> classes....
>>>>>>> I dug around and noticed most computer training places in my city
>>> have
>>>>>>> folded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked the girl at the front desk, "how many cert tests do you

> guys
>>>>>>> perform any more?". She replied "not too many, maybe a couple a
>>> week".
>>>>>>> Now I realize this isn't the late 90's when IT was the flavor of

> the
>>>>>>> week, but without us the world would crumble (no I don't have the

> "IT
>>>>>>> God complex").
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we just not "hip" anymore, or are we just taken for granted?
>>>>>>> Sure we took a huge hit by the "I can make big money in computers"
>>>>>>> people, but haven't us die hard, bore and bred info people

> recovered
>>>>>>> our industry from that yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess I've been holed away working on my network so long, that
>>>>>>> looking up from my keyboard is a bit of a shock. I think I'll go

> back
>>>>>>> to typing 🙂
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Only if you live here. 😛



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> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂

Ah, but here's the rub...India/China/Brazil are full of programmers that
will do it for half or two thirds of what you would. An H1B will do it for
half as much also. Until enough people exit the field salaries will stay
lower and someone is going to inherit a horrible mess when these things
fall into disrepair. That'll be the next big salary job, fixing and
rehabbing decrepit networks.
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Re: State of IT - your thoughts...

dwiseman2;1566108 wrote:
The testing centre I go to is always full of under 25 year olds either taking courses or doing the tests for the courses once their time in the course has finished.

When planning to book an exam, I have always had ring up and make sure I can get in on my preferred days because of the amount of testing they do.

That being said, they are also the testing centre thats furthest west of Sydney.

And who ever said IT wasn't hip? Who do they call at work when their computer doesnt work? The IT Guys.

If anything its one of the most thankless jobs.


I agree. I would like to re-emphasize a lot of the problem is STILL dealing with the "I can make money in the computer field". I stumbled across this proffession quite out of luck. I didn't get a computer until I was 13 because we were too poor (I'm only 22 so this wasn't the norm at my age). Oh and btw being 22 works against me.... If I can get an interview I'll get the job, but most ppl wont give me the time of day because they think my resume is BS. Basically we got screwed on it some guy told us he'd build us an awesome system, and it wound up being a POS. Well, my Dad got into learning about them (always had a nack for electronics and mechanics) and I was fascinated by it. I decided that being a rockstar wasn't a practical dream and I should leave guitar as a hobby. I started learning more and more and got more and more fascinated the more I learned... Got my A+ right after I graduated highschool and went straight to work. Now imagine how frustrating it is to me now seeing all my peers graduating from college and taking what should be MY jobs. I've paid my dues and busted my butt to get where I'm at, and yet that damn piece of paper somehow makes THEM management material... They have a degree in computer science and somehow land a job as a network administrator??? Have they ever installed a server? NO. Switch? Router? Run Cable? Even installed XP on a desktop? NooOO!!!! What about linux? Fresh Graduate: "Oh yeah I read about that once..." God it's frustrating. Thats why I'm going back to school starting next week actually. University of Phoenix gonna fix me up with a nice degree so I can step up where I see others failing.... I'm sorry, no disrespect to education, but IMHO, the school of hard knocks has always fared better for me... I can run circles around most of these "educated ppl"... Hope I didn't offend anyone and sorry for the long post...
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