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"Mary Matthews" <mlm23NO@SPAMcalvin.edu> wrote in
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> You're right, you do need the experience, but from an HR stand point,
> the degree is an easy "check mark" and when sorting through 500
> resumes for 1 spot, it will make you stand out in the pack of others
> with X number of years experience and the required certs. Also helps
> get you past the auto filters on my HR databases that are used PRIOR
> to the resumes being forwarded to the hiring manager.


When I interviewed for my current position I mentioned the Academic
Credentials part to my soon to be manager. He said it was a guideline, and
besides, he thought my life experience was more than equivalent. We are
both still happy with that understanding 8). Based on what has been going
through this thread it seems as though you might need to fib a little to
get anywhere to actually speak to a human. What does that say about the
credibilty of any CV you submit, vet or process? I would consider
stretching the truth to avoid robots if it came down to it. Robots are not
reasonable in my experience. They just do what they are told and have no
judgement.
I can say with experience that who you know and what you know has more
clout than any job advertised. The "network" seems to run deep and is very
hard to get into if you are an "outsider". The smaller the city, the more
this seems to be true. In retrospect, I should have begun "networking"
sooner and more aggressively when I was looking, but I don't do aggressive
very well (unless I know I am right ;))

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Kathryn Carruthers <kath.carruthers@gmail.com> wrote in news:_kU_j.1706
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> If all you do is read a script and pass anything difficult on to
> somebody who is actually going to have to troubleshoot and fix it, then
> it shouldn't be that stressful. If you're expected to actually know
> stuff, then it becomes a little more difficult.
>


EXACTLY, those type of level one'rs never get beyond it and are shunned by
the users. "oh no, I got so and so, might as well hang up..." People who
work in IT should be the "why" people, not the "huh" people.

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dwiseman2 <dwiseman2@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote in
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> I hear you there!
>
> I got a traineeship straight out of school and into IT doing all the
> hands on stuff straight away, as well as managing the network and
> technology involved, and what did I hear when I went for my first
> interview once I had finished it? Oh sorry you're too young, or, we
> would like a graduate to take up this position. People would look at my
> resume and say, oh OK, you finished highschool a couple of years ago and
> now you have these 2 pieces of paper that say you can manage
> networks...but no university? We would like to hire someone with no
> experience but that piece of paper instead of your two hands on
> competency based certs...
>
> I dont see logic in that


My first boss had the vision to see past that. He saw the tech school I
went too, knew that they produced good grads and hired me based on a decent
interview and the history of BCIT. He was not fun to work for, actually he
was the worst boss I have ever had, except he did have the vision to hire
the cheapest and most skilled employees. I worked with Polish University
Electrical Engineering Profs as they got their visas in order, that sort of
thing. It was amazing. We all went onto better things, and I am thanking
him for that experience now, but the actual work environment was terrible.
17 years of hindsight is 20-20.

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Yep, a little John Deere yard tractor. It's cute, green, and the bumper is
on order, the tiller will be my birthday present and Santa promised to
bring me a trailer for Chrismas. 🙂

It's my new favorite toy. 🙂

>>> On 5/27/2008 at 4:31 PM, in message

<ac__j.2009$6C2.1448@kovat.provo.novell.com>, Mary
Wood<naomi37@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Heeeey, I hear you got a new tractor?
>
>
> Mary Matthews wrote:
>> Oh cool...maybe I can just be a farmer in the meantime. 🙂
>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 12:38 PM, in message

>> <UNW_j.1834$6C2.212@kovat.provo.novell.com>, G of
>> Borg<G@collectiveAB1.com> wrote:
>>>> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂
>>> Ah, but here's the rub...India/China/Brazil are full of programmers
>>> that
>>> will do it for half or two thirds of what you would. An H1B will do it


>
>>> for
>>> half as much also. Until enough people exit the field salaries will
>>> stay
>>> lower and someone is going to inherit a horrible mess when these

things
>>> fall into disrepair. That'll be the next big salary job, fixing and
>>> rehabbing decrepit networks.

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That's why spell checkers and grammar checkers were invented...engineers
have always been known for their lack of "enthusiasm" for correct spelling.
🙂

Me, I had an english major for a mom and a grandfather who was dyslexic
(and brilliant!), so I was forced to learn. But I still suck at comma
rules.

>>> On 5/27/2008 at 7:16 PM, in message

<arsmitty86.3a3don@no-mx.forums.novell.com>,
arsmitty86<arsmitty86@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:
> arsmitty86;1566763 Wrote: > Not at all. Thank you for the compliments as


> well. I know I come off> completely anti-education but I'm not... I'm
> anti-elitist. I'll kill> my kids if they don't go to school. I don't
> want them to struggle like> I had to.
>
> Oh btw, thanks to everyone for not calling out my
> gramar/spellingerrors.-- In God We Trust, All others we virus scan!
> A+, Network+, NCA, CLDA,

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I'd think so. I was pretty lucky though...having mostly male friends I was
used to being the only female in the crowd and knew exactly what kind of
behavior to expect and how to quell it. Plus my size never hurt...I can be
a *bit* intimidating when I'm simply "cranky". 🙂

>>> On 5/27/2008 at 4:44 PM, in message

<oo__j.2015$6C2.778@kovat.provo.novell.com>, Jim
Henderson<Jim.Henderson@SysOps.NSC> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:35:26 +0000, Mary Matthews wrote:
>
>> Try being a woman in IT, one who entered it in the early 80's and THEN
>> let's talk about discrimination and unethical behavior.

>
> I'd have a hard time trying that. 😉
>
> But I've observed what you're talking about.
>
> Jim

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On Wed, 28 May 2008 14:48:10 +0000, Mary Matthews wrote:

> I'd think so. I was pretty lucky though...having mostly male friends I
> was used to being the only female in the crowd and knew exactly what
> kind of behavior to expect and how to quell it. Plus my size never
> hurt...I can be a *bit* intimidating when I'm simply "cranky".


Hehehehehehe

Jim



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I have nothing to do while im at work as the GroupWise administrator. Rarely any user request. Im bored. I guess Im losing intrest in IT.



mathew35;1565657 wrote:
I was testing the other day at my fav testing place - and I noticed.....

THIS PLACE IS DEAD!

Seriously, no one testing, very few people taking computer classes....
I dug around and noticed most computer training places in my city have folded.

I asked the girl at the front desk, "how many cert tests do you guys perform any more?". She replied "not too many, maybe a couple a week".

Now I realize this isn't the late 90's when IT was the flavor of the week, but without us the world would crumble (no I don't have the "IT God complex").

Are we just not "hip" anymore, or are we just taken for granted?
Sure we took a huge hit by the "I can make big money in computers" people, but haven't us die hard, bore and bred info people recovered our industry from that yet?

I guess I've been holed away working on my network so long, that looking up from my keyboard is a bit of a shock. I think I'll go back to typing 🙂
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A little dyslexia can be a lot of fun. A while back, I was in the jeans
section of a department store, and they had the different brand names on
big signs hung from the ceiling, so it was easy to see where to find
Levi, Lee, Bulge Boy...


(In case that is too regional, "Bugle Boy" is the actual brand - but not
what I saw!)

Mary Matthews wrote:
> That's why spell checkers and grammar checkers were invented...engineers
> have always been known for their lack of "enthusiasm" for correct spelling.
> 🙂
>
> Me, I had an english major for a mom and a grandfather who was dyslexic
> (and brilliant!), so I was forced to learn. But I still suck at comma
> rules.
>
>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 7:16 PM, in message

> <arsmitty86.3a3don@no-mx.forums.novell.com>,
> arsmitty86<arsmitty86@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:
>> arsmitty86;1566763 Wrote: > Not at all. Thank you for the compliments as

>
>> well. I know I come off> completely anti-education but I'm not... I'm
>> anti-elitist. I'll kill> my kids if they don't go to school. I don't
>> want them to struggle like> I had to.
>>
>> Oh btw, thanks to everyone for not calling out my
>> gramar/spellingerrors.-- In God We Trust, All others we virus scan!
>> A+, Network+, NCA, CLDA,

> NAI------------------------------------------------------------------------
> arsmitty86's Profile:
>> http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=5958View this thread:
>> http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=329974

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Mary Wood wrote:

> A little dyslexia can be a lot of fun. A while back, I was in the
> jeans section of a department store, and they had the different brand
> names on big signs hung from the ceiling, so it was easy to see where
> to find Levi, Lee, Bulge Boy...
>
>
> (In case that is too regional, "Bugle Boy" is the actual brand - but
> not what I saw!)


I never knew I was afflicted with dyslexia until I started working in
the Novell forums heavily. I would go back and look at some of my posts
where words would be missing (that I could swear were there) and some
other strange wording. I had to resort to creating my replies, sitting
on them for a bit, and then pulling them up again to "re-see" them.
Very time consuming but far less embarrassing. <g>


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"Mary Matthews" wrote

>Well, no one says you have to spell correctly if you're a programmer. 🙂
>


Although I've had programmers bring their programs to me for assistance,
because they couldn't figure out those "Syntax Errors".

My favorite was "IMPUT".



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Awwww! They are so cute and fun. We have a little John Deere, too.
Plow blade for winter, mower deck for summer. I've always wanted a
little baler for it.

Mary Matthews wrote:
> Yep, a little John Deere yard tractor. It's cute, green, and the bumper is
> on order, the tiller will be my birthday present and Santa promised to
> bring me a trailer for Chrismas. 🙂
>
> It's my new favorite toy. 🙂
>
>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 4:31 PM, in message

> <ac__j.2009$6C2.1448@kovat.provo.novell.com>, Mary
> Wood<naomi37@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Heeeey, I hear you got a new tractor?
>>
>>
>> Mary Matthews wrote:
>>> Oh cool...maybe I can just be a farmer in the meantime. 🙂
>>>
>>>>>> On 5/27/2008 at 12:38 PM, in message
>>> <UNW_j.1834$6C2.212@kovat.provo.novell.com>, G of
>>> Borg<G@collectiveAB1.com> wrote:
>>>>> Guess it's time for me to return to the programming world then. 🙂
>>>> Ah, but here's the rub...India/China/Brazil are full of programmers
>>>> that
>>>> will do it for half or two thirds of what you would. An H1B will do it

>
>>>> for
>>>> half as much also. Until enough people exit the field salaries will
>>>> stay
>>>> lower and someone is going to inherit a horrible mess when these

> things
>>>> fall into disrepair. That'll be the next big salary job, fixing and
>>>> rehabbing decrepit networks.

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