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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:44:57 +0000, Matthew wrote:
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>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:46:16 +0000, Matthew wrote:
>>>
>>>> What if eDir was open sourced and became the defacto standard
>>> Oh, and while I absolutely *love* eDir, just open sourcing something
>>> doesn't make it the defacto standard. For a case in point, let's look
>>> at OpenOffice. 🙂
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> yes, but we were what if'ing. Anything is possible in what if'ing. 😄

>
> LOL
>
>
>


What if instead of LOL it LMAO. Maybe instead of either of those what
if we simply --> 😄 <--. What if we what if'ed the what ifs?
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> Or a CXO mandate that says "Outlook is what I'm used to, so we're moving
> to Exchange". I had that happen once.


They are "Outlook users" here and I'm fairly certain that we are gonna
be using Zimbra as the backend. Mostly a cost thing, but I like Zimbra.
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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:56:29 +0000, Matthew wrote:

> What if instead of LOL it LMAO. Maybe instead of either of those what
> if we simply --> 😄 <--. What if we what if'ed the what ifs?


I'd need IDM to keep it all in sync. 😉

Jim



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On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:00:20 +0000, Matthew wrote:

>> Or a CXO mandate that says "Outlook is what I'm used to, so we're
>> moving to Exchange". I had that happen once.

>
> They are "Outlook users" here and I'm fairly certain that we are gonna
> be using Zimbra as the backend. Mostly a cost thing, but I like Zimbra.


I've used it a little as well - I operate a website for a local nonprofit
organization, and Zimbra is what XMission uses.

It seems pretty decent.

Jim



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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:49:30 +0000, Timothy Leerhoff wrote:

>> > just because they have Outlook does not mean they MUST use Exchange.
>> > If you want to sell big dollars in hardware do a MS approved Exchange
>> > design. Wooboy does it need a BUNCH of servers..... (DCs, PKI, front
>> > end, back end, edge, etc)

>>
>> Yeah, but if the people holding the budget don't know that....

>
> But they didn't know it was still a GroupWise backend. 🙂


Well, they'd assume that what they directed and paid for is what's on the
backend.

>> And even if they do, they often will cite supportability issues of
>> using Outlook with non-Exchange servers. Even the hypothetical
>> "Microsoft changes something in how Outlook talks to the server, now
>> Novell is playing catch-up". That is one of the things that bit the
>> Ximian connector for Exchange (for Evolution).

>
> We have had several clients explore moving to MS. They have all choked
> over the number of servers needed to just duplicate services. One site
> was going from 4 NetWare servers to 21 Windows boxes. They choked at
> the price for a MS approved config.
>
> Another needed to buy 41 more servers. Were they shocked!


Well, you know the old saying "Nobody got fired for buying IBM"? 😉

Jim



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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

Let's say hypothetically speaking:

What if Novell changed Groupwise so that it could use AD in addition to eDir? (I'm not going to get into the how much effort it would be, etc.)

Does anyone think it would help organizations either:

a) Keep groupwise (instead of migrating to Exchange)
or
b) Get new customers?


I think it would be wise to disconnect GW from the eDir reliance like ZEN has.
It might be a way to help some keep GW, but the integration with 3rd-party items really is key.
Get new customers? Unlikely, but possible.
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LOL!

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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

Thanks everyone. Yeah, the 3rd party integration is a killer.

Sharepoint integration costs extra
document management integration is non-existent

We just completed an ECM project to determine WHICH ECM vendor to go with. NONE of the 3 major vendors in the Gartner magic quadrant support groupwise. Not one.

Documentum (now EMC) USED to, but not anymore
FileNet (now IBM) used to, but not anymore
Hummingbird (now OpenText) doesn't support groupwise 7 or 8

But then again I guess I can't really blame a large vendor for pouring money into a product that maybe 1% of their customers use (okay 3% possibly at the max depending upon which IDC or Gartner report you look at).
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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:56:29 +0000, Matthew wrote:
>
>> What if instead of LOL it LMAO. Maybe instead of either of those what
>> if we simply --> 😄 <--. What if we what if'ed the what ifs?

>
> I'd need IDM to keep it all in sync. 😉
>
> Jim
>
>
>

What if IDM was WIDM? What if drival manager.
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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

> I think it would be wise to disconnect GW from the eDir reliance like
> ZEN has.
> It might be a way to help some keep GW, but the integration with
> 3rd-party items really is key.
> Get new customers? Unlikely, but possible.


I think it's quite possible for GW to gain new customers, but I agree
that something will probably have to change. What those are I don't know.
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Re: What if GroupWise could use AD?

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:36:01 +0000, kjhurni wrote:

> Sharepoint integration costs extra


SharePoint isn't free in the Microsoft world, either.

> document management integration is non-existent


DMS is built into GW.




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>> document management integration is non-existent
>
> DMS is built into GW.


Yes it is. I toyed with it once. Seemed ok.

Of course the problem is that much more advanced systems exist or
systems that people already have in place that work with
Outlook/Exchange. "DMS is built into Groupwise" isn't a pitch that works
with most bosses in my experience.

I tried out Worldox at one time and it's a really nice DMS that's not
horribly expensive. I think it integrates with Groupwise, but not sure
how great. Mostly designed to work with Microsoft stuff.
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