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Arjen_Robben Absent Member.
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Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

??? It was a chosen OS for a large percentage of businesses/companies for a long time. What's the market sharte for SLES???
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Marcel_Cox Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

I think your question is wrong. It should be "When willNovell make OES a
worthwhile successor to NetWare?".
If you look at the technical architecture of NetWare, it has come at a
dead end. Also, the decline of NetWare did not start with Novell move to
Linux. The dline of NetWare was already going on for a long time before
Novell's strategy to switch to Linux.
If you look at Apple, you can see that you can successfully switch your
main OS, provided you do it right.
I think the real corrent problem is not the death of NetWare, but rather
that OES is not good enough. What is really missing in the OES project is
a strong technical lead. OES needs an "architect". Someone who defines a
overall technical concept of the product and who has the power and
charisma to get people to actually implement this. Currently, OES(2) is
far from this. Rather than being a consistent product, it looks more of a
collection of zillions of individual products written by people that don't
talk to each other.

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

> "Marcel Cox" <Marcel_Cox@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote
> in message news:djau96-6vf.ln1@ubuntu.cie.etat.lu...
>
> Rather than being a consistent product, it looks more of a collection of
> zillions of individual products written by people that don't talk to each
> other.



You just defined Linux. *evil grin*


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seabirdII Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

I am sorry to hear such negative comments about OES. I have pushed staying with Novell and upgrading our Netware servers to OES2. We will start the end of the month. I fought the M$$ battle for over two years! I hope we have not made the wrong decision. My job would probably be on the line if we have. Any input as to what I can expect with OES2 would be appreciated. I can still post pone this project if I need to. Thanks!
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

Andrew,

Andrew Z Carpenter wrote:
>
> > "Marcel Cox" <Marcel_Cox@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote
> > in message news:djau96-6vf.ln1@ubuntu.cie.etat.lu...
> >
> > Rather than being a consistent product, it looks more of a collection of
> > zillions of individual products written by people that don't talk to each
> > other.

>
> You just defined Linux. *evil grin*


Point. 🙂

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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

Well said.


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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

Everything changes...I don't work on the OS I originally started in the
industry with and I don't expect to retire working on the OS I currently
support either.

IT is constant change...if you're not "change hardy" I suggest moving on to
your 2nd career.

Don't get me wrong...I love NetWare, but it's time to move on.
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jcalderwood Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

Is Novell bringing netware back like me bringing sexy back?
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

That's why I am still on OS/2, System36 and AS400! Change is dangerous.


"Marcel Cox" <Marcel_Cox@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote in message
news:djau96-6vf.ln1@ubuntu.cie.etat.lu...
>I think your question is wrong. It should be "When willNovell make OES a
>worthwhile successor to NetWare?".
> If you look at the technical architecture of NetWare, it has come at a
> dead end. Also, the decline of NetWare did not start with Novell move to
> Linux. The dline of NetWare was already going on for a long time before
> Novell's strategy to switch to Linux.
> If you look at Apple, you can see that you can successfully switch your
> main OS, provided you do it right.
> I think the real corrent problem is not the death of NetWare, but rather
> that OES is not good enough. What is really missing in the OES project is
> a strong technical lead. OES needs an "architect". Someone who defines a
> overall technical concept of the product and who has the power and
> charisma to get people to actually implement this. Currently, OES(2) is
> far from this. Rather than being a consistent product, it looks more of a
> collection of zillions of individual products written by people that don't
> talk to each other.
>
> --
> Marcel Cox
> http://support.novell.com/forums
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Marcel Cox's Profile: http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=8



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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

ROFL!! Thanks I needed a good laugh today. 🙂
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

In article <djau96-6vf.ln1@ubuntu.cie.etat.lu>, Marcel_Cox@no-
mx.forums.novell.com says...
> I think your question is wrong. It should be "When willNovell make OES a
> worthwhile successor to NetWare?".
> If you look at the technical architecture of NetWare, it has come at a
> dead end. Also, the decline of NetWare did not start with Novell move to
> Linux. The dline of NetWare was already going on for a long time before
> Novell's strategy to switch to Linux.
> If you look at Apple, you can see that you can successfully switch your
> main OS, provided you do it right.
> I think the real corrent problem is not the death of NetWare, but rather
> that OES is not good enough. What is really missing in the OES project is
> a strong technical lead. OES needs an "architect". Someone who defines a
> overall technical concept of the product and who has the power and
> charisma to get people to actually implement this. Currently, OES(2) is
> far from this. Rather than being a consistent product, it looks more of a
> collection of zillions of individual products written by people that don't
> talk to each other.
>
>


Amen!

Left-hand wrote one part and right-hand wrote another and didn't bother
to discuss anything in between.

IMO, the biggest challenge is finding vendors that support it. SLES
support is there, but OES support is still lagging (ie, product works
with SLES, but oh, you're on OES, so we don't know/support that or NSS,
etc.)

I wonder why the open source community never took up NSS? I think
Novell open sourced it and it kinda languished there.

I'd think that a rich file system would be gobbled up quickly.

But then again, most die-hards would rather script their way into things
than having a nice inherited rights model and whatnot, it seems.
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zeffan Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

Everything changes...I don't work on the OS I originally started in the
industry with and I don't expect to retire working on the OS I currently
support either.


Shhh...don't tell the Cobol programmers who started with it 20+ years ago and are still doing it. Personally if I had to keep doing the same thing day in and day out every single working day, I'd be ready to open a vein. I need change.
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Marcel_Cox Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

KittyNoLegs wrote:

>I wonder why the open source community never took up NSS? I think
>Novell open sourced it and it kinda languished there.


I think Novell open sourced it for purely technical reasons. In order to
avoid licensing trouble, the kernel modules have to be GPL. However NSS is
not a Posix file system and does not provide Posix style rights. NSS
rights are implemented through eDirectory. Without eDirectory connection,
NSS cannot handle rights and only root will have access to the files. As
such, NSS without eDirectory is completely useless and I don't know why
someone would pick it up.

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ecyoung Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

Heck I'd be partly content if there was first-party vendor, let alone other
vendors, support for OES. i.e. NSS filesystem auditing, 1st-party product
interoperability (SLES11 and OES), etc, etc, etc, within a reasonable amount
of time (anything more than 6 months is a little ridiculous... OES2 was well
over 1 year after SLES10... NSS filesystem auditing is still missing after 4
years...).

"KittyNoLegs" <kittnolegs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2436e14c7defd13a98a24c@forums.novell.com...
> IMO, the biggest challenge is finding vendors that support it. SLES
> support is there, but OES support is still lagging (ie, product works
> with SLES, but oh, you're on OES, so we don't know/support that or NSS,
> etc.)



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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: Will Novell ever bring NetWare back?

That's why I'm not coding COBOL anymore, or a UAW worker...to repetitive.


Although...I could make quite a chunk of change doing some contract work
for some conversions. 🙂
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