Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: economic analysis of Open Office vs. Microsoft's Office?

The ribbon interface is an example of good innovation on MS's part. Its
a real improvement.

On 10/14/10 1:40 PM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> GofBorg wrote:
>
>> Actually more on the line of how much more 'productive' they are now
>> that they've 'escaped' OpenOffice.

>
> Yes that ribbon sure increases productivity. 🙂
>


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:confused:
unsigned;2034751 wrote:
The ribbon interface is an example of good innovation on MS's part. Its
a real improvement.

On 10/14/10 1:40 PM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> GofBorg wrote:
>
>> Actually more on the line of how much more 'productive' they are now
>> that they've 'escaped' OpenOffice.

>
> Yes that ribbon sure increases productivity. 🙂
>


I'd have to agree with you there. Once you get familiar with the Ribbon, it really is a welcome improvement. But I am starting to think that most folks here just like to bash all things Microsoft. Then again, maybe that makes sense... you may as well bash MS here, because you sure has heck can't say anything bad about Novell or discuss its future (or lack thereof?)
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Good points. We've decided to take the campuses over to OpenOffice (or
Libre). We've talked with the Superintendent and Principals; they're on
board. Interestingly the old WordPerfect users were the most strident
supporters of this move. They want to get off the vendor De jure
proprietary “standards”. In addition the dissertation had some
persuasive points on why it made good sense to do this. Thanks gang. I
appreciate your help.

Bob
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CitrixDude wrote:

> I'd have to agree with you there.


You evidently missed my sarcasm.

> Once you get familiar with the
> Ribbon, it really is a welcome improvement.


Riiiiiiiight. I've used Office 2007. I've used Office 2010. I've
used various Windows 7 apps (e.g. Paint) which also use the ribbon
interface. The changes to the interface aren't any improvement at all.
Sure, after a while you get used to it, but all it does is change the
steps you do to perform the same tasks. It doesn't save time or
increase productivity.

> But I am starting to
> think that most folks here just like to bash all things Microsoft.


Only those things that Microsoft does/makes which are worthy of being
bashed.

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On 10/19/10 6:56 AM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> Riiiiiiiight. I've used Office 2007. I've used Office 2010. I've
> used various Windows 7 apps (e.g. Paint) which also use the ribbon
> interface. The changes to the interface aren't any improvement at all.
> Sure, after a while you get used to it, but all it does is change the
> steps you do to perform the same tasks. It doesn't save time or
> increase productivity.


I won't disagree with you on steps taken as I'm pretty sure Microsoft's
new policy is to bury useful things as deep as they can, but it always
boils down to user preference.

For me I prefer my Mac and OpenOffice or Google Docs. I like the Ribbon
interface, but whether I have it or don't makes no real difference to
me. I prefer Adobe Photoshop to GIMP. I prefer Ubuntu to other Linux
distros or Windows. I prefer Astaro Firewalls to Cisco. I prefer VMware
to Xen.



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Re: economic analysis of Open Office vs. Microsoft's Office?

Joseph Marton,
> Sure, after a while you get used to it, but all it does is change the
> steps you do to perform the same tasks. It doesn't save time or
> increase productivity.
>

Agreed. It takes a while to learn the new oplaces where they put
things. Once you have done that it usually takes about the same time
and mouse clicks, except for the stuff where MS have moved the dialugs
deeper, in which case it takes longer.

One kudo to MS though: Office 2007 was a dog compared to 2000. 2010 is
noticeably faster, ie almost as fast as Office 2000.

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Matthew wrote:

> I like the
> Ribbon interface,


I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's different from what's
there now, and the end result isn't any sort of increase in
productivity. However, there *is* time lost during the transition
process as people learn it. So if you have to lose time to learn
something new that in the end doesn't actually yield any benefit, why
use it if you don't have to?

In the end, though, everyone does what Microsoft says. I think I read
one of the "benefits" of the latest version of WinZip is that they've
introduced the ribbon interface... wow, great reason to upgrade.

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On 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> In the end, though, everyone does what Microsoft says. I think I read
> one of the "benefits" of the latest version of WinZip is that they've
> introduced the ribbon interface... wow, great reason to upgrade.


LMAO. I you WinRAR. I don't think they have a Ribbon interface yet. 😛


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On 10/18/10 9:09 PM, Bob wrote:
> Good points. We've decided to take the campuses over to OpenOffice (or
> Libre). We've talked with the Superintendent and Principals; they're on
> board. Interestingly the old WordPerfect users were the most strident
> supporters of this move. They want to get off the vendor De jure
> proprietary “standards”. In addition the dissertation had some
> persuasive points on why it made good sense to do this. Thanks gang. I
> appreciate your help.
>
> Bob


I miss Reveal Codes. 😞

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Bob <RoNoSpamBert@SchweinANoSpam.com> wrote:

> Interestingly the old WordPerfect users were the most strident
> supporters of this move.


if you have a lot of WordPerfect users you should look at the Novell
version of OO so that you can easily open WP files.

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Matthew,
> I miss Reveal Codes. 😞
>

Me too...

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Matthew;2035656 wrote:
On 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> In the end, though, everyone does what Microsoft says. I think I read
> one of the "benefits" of the latest version of WinZip is that they've
> introduced the ribbon interface... wow, great reason to upgrade.


LMAO. I you WinRAR. I don't think they have a Ribbon interface yet. 😛


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WinZIP, WinRAR.. Does people really use those products nowadays, I though everyone was using the free and opensource 7-zip these days.

Thomas
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On 10/19/10 1:36 PM, thsundel wrote:
> WinZIP, WinRAR.. Does people really use those products nowadays, I
> though everyone was using the free and opensource 7-zip these days.
>
> Thomas


I still like rar files. I haven't looked at 7-zip though. Will be
checking it out.

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On 10/19/10 11:01 AM, DZanre wrote:
> Bob<RoNoSpamBert@SchweinANoSpam.com> wrote:
>
>> Interestingly the old WordPerfect users were the most strident
>> supporters of this move.

>
> if you have a lot of WordPerfect users you should look at the Novell
> version of OO so that you can easily open WP files.
>


I'm waiting for a couple of software vendors to support OpenOffice.

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Thomas,

shows you can be wrong 🙂

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