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nostalgic for Netware

Reading thru VMWare's support forums, some guy is installing NW 4.11 in a
VM. It got me thinkin...

It reminds me of the days when uptimes were either measured in the years
(let's be fair here...or hours, if you had a problematic system...LOL) when
500 days was considered " a good start", when installing a support pack was
mainly optional and ROI was easy to sell to managers.

nowadays, If a Windows box doesn't get rebooted once a quarter due to some
"emergency" patch it's cause for concern. uggh.




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On 2/17/2010 9:34 AM, Mike M wrote:
> Reading thru VMWare's support forums, some guy is installing NW 4.11 in
> a VM. It got me thinkin...
>
> It reminds me of the days when uptimes were either measured in the years
> (let's be fair here...or hours, if you had a problematic system...LOL)
> when 500 days was considered " a good start", when installing a support
> pack was mainly optional and ROI was easy to sell to managers.
>
> nowadays, If a Windows box doesn't get rebooted once a quarter due to
> some "emergency" patch it's cause for concern. uggh.


That was back before Netware 6.5 was introduced with it's memory leaks
and what have you.. I don't ever remember having to reboot my Netware
4.11 server except for a very rare abend, or to shut it down because of
a power outage.

Windows servers quarterly? How about monthly when critical updates come
out. It would be nice if MS could figure out a way to get some of these
applied without reboots but I suspect the problem is less with the OS
and more with all the applications that potentially are running that tie
into a given file.
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The same could be said for SLES servers as well.

I think I have to reboot mine once/month for some security patch (SLES servers that is).
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Netware 4.11/4.2 was by far the most efficient and stable file and print
server NOS ever.

You could run efficiently with as little as 8 Megs of RAM.

My up times could be measured in years, and the 4.11 servers would only be
shut down for PM or hardware changes. We moved all tape drives to external
SCSI boxes so that when they inevitably required a hard reset, there would
be no need to shut down the server.

I still "support" a few 4.11 servers. I placed the word "support" in
quotes, because they just run and run and run and never need any attention.
I feel like the Maytag repair man.

There were always a lot of cool tips and tricks for 4.11. I even had
servers to which I could connect to without using IPX.

I still find it surprising that newer hardware often works with a fully
patched 4.11 server, USB being the sad exception. Despite the lack of USB
support, LAN driver support is good, and even SATA drives will work.

-Bob Carroll

"Mike M" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> Reading thru VMWare's support forums, some guy is installing NW 4.11 in a
> VM. It got me thinkin...
>
> It reminds me of the days when uptimes were either measured in the years
> (let's be fair here...or hours, if you had a problematic system...LOL)
> when 500 days was considered " a good start", when installing a support
> pack was mainly optional and ROI was easy to sell to managers.
>
> nowadays, If a Windows box doesn't get rebooted once a quarter due to some
> "emergency" patch it's cause for concern. uggh.
>
>
>
>



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Patrick Farrell wrote:

> That was back before Netware 6.5 was introduced with it's memory
> leaks and what have you.. I don't ever remember having to reboot my
> Netware 4.11 server except for a very rare abend, or to shut it down
> because of a power outage.


We found NetWare 6.5 'came' right for us around sp4 or sp5 and after
using Intel NICs rather than Broadcom. The biggest issues that we've
had since tends to be around services that sit on top of NetWare,
extensions which I would never really have considered 'NetWareish'.

Assuming it's fairly standard stuff we've found NetWare 6.5 to be just
as stable as 5.1, uptimes comfortably over a year.

Our BorderManager server is up over 580 days, a resource constrained
remote server was nearly 400 days before we had to down it for a power
outage. Main file server was around a year before we had to drop the
power, our GroupWise NetWare server only ever crashed due to GWAVA.


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Scott Campbell,
> Assuming it's fairly standard stuff we've found NetWare 6.5 to be just
> as stable as 5.1, uptimes comfortably over a year
>

I agree

- Anders Gustafsson (Sysop)
The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and
you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he
is.

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Anders!!!

I know you know how to install and patch 4.x and 5.x servers. I also know
you can't possibly be saying that 6.5 is in the same class stability wise as
it's predecessors.

I have two 4.10 servers out in service. One hasn't been down or touched by
me in pretty close to ten years now. The other was down twice in the last
12 or so, once when small fingers found the power button and once when they
got a new facility. My sole remaining 4.2 server has been down twice in the
last ten years. Once to move to a new building, and one when the city shut
off power at that intersection. My last 5.0 server has been running since
2001.

I have never seen a 6.x server with more than three years up time.
"Anders Gustafsson" <AndersG@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote in message
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> Scott Campbell,
>> Assuming it's fairly standard stuff we've found NetWare 6.5 to be just
>> as stable as 5.1, uptimes comfortably over a year
>>

> I agree
>
> - Anders Gustafsson (Sysop)
> The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and
> you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he
> is.
>



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Miles58,
> I also know
> you can't possibly be saying that 6.5 is in the same class stability wise as
> it's predecessors.
>

Yes and no. If you run a 6.5 server with just file and print, then it comes
pretty close.

- Anders Gustafsson (Sysop)
The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you
will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he is.

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Patrick Farrell wrote:
> Windows servers quarterly? How about monthly when critical updates come
> out. It would be nice if MS could figure out a way to get some of these
> applied without reboots but I suspect the problem is less with the OS
> and more with all the applications that potentially are running that tie
> into a given file.




Many (I know not all) updates for Windows 2008 and 2K8 R2 do not require
a reboot. Its much better than previous versions.

And as far as NW6.5 being unstable, we get great uptime and its often a
secondary service that takes the server down. Like.... GroupWise. 😕
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Pictures of the server console(s) please! I like to brag to my friends how
"real" networks can be online for years on end...

THANK YOU! 🙂

Mike
> I have two 4.10 servers out in service. One hasn't been down or touched
> by me in pretty close to ten years now. The other was down twice in the
> last 12 or so, once when small fingers found the power button and once
> when they got a new facility. My sole remaining 4.2 server has been down
> twice in the last ten years. Once to move to a new building, and one when
> the city shut off power at that intersection. My last 5.0 server has been
> running since 2001.


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AndersG;1935081 wrote:
Miles58,
> I also know
> you can't possibly be saying that 6.5 is in the same class stability wise as
> it's predecessors.
>

Yes and no. If you run a 6.5 server with just file and print, then it comes
pretty close.

- Anders Gustafsson (Sysop)
The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you
will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he is.


Except for all the abends caused by iPrint and NSS that is.
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Kjhurni,
> Except for all the abends caused by iPrint and NSS that is.


Never, ever had an NSS-related abend...

- Anders Gustafsson (Sysop)
The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish;
and you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how
hungry he is.

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