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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Joseph Marton wrote:

> Well that's true, it's not the architectural change as XP->Vista was.
> I guess I'm still a bit surprised to see third parties already have
> apps for an OS that hasn't even gone to beta 1 yet. Looks like that
> just shows how much clout M$ has. 😞


Dunno if it is the clout or very good PR.

Developer confidence took a heavy blow with Vista so MS have made a
really big push to get developer buy in - which why there is this blog:
http://blogs.microsoft.com/e7

Most 'standard' code that runs on Vista will run on Windows 7 without
an issue or modification; there is more polish, additional APIs, and
optimisation so many vendors just need to run through their testing
cycles and perhaps do some 'minor' tweaks.

AV vendors inparticular have an opportunity to get additional customers
by the prestige of being the 'first' or having a working product on a
beta that many people want to get their hands on - AV vendors of-course
needing to be seen as forward thinking and pro-active.

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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Adam Gabriel wrote:
> I'll have to see, cause it does that on my laptop fine. No flicker.
> Buut on my desktop it doesn't. The screens all blank, flicker, then
> come back on with a faded desktop and a UAC window, then go blank,
> flicker, then come back once you click ok. I nearly had a siezure the
> first time it did it.


That's interesting -- I knew it was implemented via creating a new
desktop, screenshotting the current one into it etc., but it doesn't
cause a mode change on my office machines. It does, however, take a
second or two to think about it the first time per session I get a UAC
prompt on my laptops, during which the screen seems to be turned off
(including backlight), which was worrying the first time!

I'm looking forward to trying 7 when it turns up in my quarterly update
box; unfortunately I may have some sort of illness, as I rather like
Vista in general and find it far less irritating than XP ever was. 😞

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Re: preparing for Windows 7

I rather like Vista in general


Wow. So YOU're the one.
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Re: preparing for Windows 7

zeffan wrote:
> > I rather like Vista in general

>
> Wow. So YOU're the one.


I've heard that before, and it was lies even then 😄

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Re: preparing for Windows 7

http://xkcd.com/528/

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"Joseph Marton" <jmartonNO@SPAMhsemuni.com> wrote in message
news:FOS8l.30$pu.3@kovat.provo.novell.com...
> Looks like a couple of AV vendors already have specific Windows 7 support.
> Crazy, beta 1 hasn't even been released yet!
>
> http://www.avg.com/special-download-antivirus-for-windows-7-mssc
>
> http://www.kaspersky.com/windows7
>
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Re: preparing for Windows 7

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:13:02 +0000, Frank McCallister wrote:

Oh geeze it's not that bad. 🙂





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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Joseph Marton wrote:

FYI, it looks like the public beta is now officially available. We'll
see how long Microsoft's server stay up this time.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx

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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Joseph Marton <jmartonNO@spamhsemuni.com> expounded:
> Looks like a couple of AV vendors already have specific Windows 7
> support. Crazy, beta 1 hasn't even been released yet!


Yeah. Beta1 is public. And from what I've read, this release is similar to
Win98 vs Win95. A LOT of stuff that worked for the previous system will
work for this.


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Re: preparing for Windows 7

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:31:07 +0000, Victor of Borg wrote:

> Yeah. Beta1 is public. And from what I've read, this release is similar
> to Win98 vs Win95. A LOT of stuff that worked for the previous system
> will work for this.


Most of what I've tried has worked. In a few cases I needed to use Vista
compatibility just to get install routines to run as they don't know how
to handle this version of Windows and simply say "you must be running XP
or Vista." 🙂

Only things I can't get to work are the Novell iPrint client, and I'm
thinking of ways to hack that as it's simply an issue with how it detects
hotfixes, and then the Cisco VPN Client. The VPN client causes a nice
blue screen upon rebooting after the install so I'll just not have any
hot VPN action for now.



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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Joseph Marton wrote:

> Only things I can't get to work are the Novell iPrint client, and I'm
> thinking of ways to hack that as it's simply an issue with how it
> detects hotfixes, and then the Cisco VPN Client. The VPN client
> causes a nice blue screen upon rebooting after the install so I'll
> just not have any hot VPN action for now.


Is the Cisco VPN Client SSL based by chance? Access Managers is
SSLVPN, and it wouldn't work via IE8beta on Win7 (does on XPP), but it
works fine through Firefox...
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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Scott Campbell wrote:

> Is the Cisco VPN Client SSL based by chance? Access Managers is
> SSLVPN, and it wouldn't work via IE8beta on Win7 (does on XPP), but it
> works fine through Firefox...


They have an SSL VPN on the ASA and possibly the VPN concentrator.
Unfortunately the PIX doesn't support that, so this client is an IPSec
client which installs some sort of Cisco virtual adapter. The client is
compatible with Vista so I expected it to work, but I guess it does
something that Windows 7 doesn't like.

Separate issue... I'm using a cert from Digitcert for the Citrix Secure
Gateway and I keep getting an "SSL Error 61: You have not chosen to
trust DigiCert Global CA" message trying to connect to a published app.
I haven't dug much into it yet. I know when this happens on Linux you
just install some additional certs provided by DigiCert into the ICA
client. On Windows I thought the certs were part of the OS itself since
this same client works on XP. I gotta go to DigiCert's site and see if
they have something I can download and install into Windows. Without
Citrix or the Cisco VPN I pretty much only have access to e-mail unless
I reboot back into XP and that's darn annoying.

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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Joseph Marton wrote:

> Separate issue...


That's now resolved. Not sure how I did it. Been trying to use Firefox
and I kept getting the SSL error. Tried connecting from IE, that
worked. Switched back to FF and now that's working. Weird, but hey
I'll take it.

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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Victor of Borg wrote:

> Yeah. Beta1 is public. And from what I've read, this release is
> similar to Win98 vs Win95. A LOT of stuff that worked for the
> previous system will work for this.


Not sure that does justice IMO. At the moment I am going with the
'what Vista should have been'. It has the polish that Vista lacked and
isn't so annoying. I still have UAC turned on on its default. CPU
utilisation is dramatically reduced on this machine compared to Vista
(same machine, same specs, more software installed on Windows 7 than
the bare minimum on Vista).

Everything feels smoother. At face value I would have no problem
rolling this out to my users.
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Re: preparing for Windows 7

Scott wrote:

> At face value I would have no problem
> rolling this out to my users.


Same here. In fact I've already tentatively added it to my 5-year plan,
including licenses to upgrade all PCs to Windows 7 summer 2010 in my
budget.

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