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Bundle Relationship Best Practice

We are moving from ZFD with Applications associated to containers and groups to ZCM. AD will become our user source. Best Practice should I use AD groups or containers to apply relationships or Bundle Groups and associate users to Bundle Groups?
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kwhite;1997601 wrote:
We are moving from ZFD with Applications associated to containers and groups to ZCM. AD will become our user source. Best Practice should I use AD groups or containers to apply relationships or Bundle Groups and associate users to Bundle Groups?


Use what works for you.... for us we stick to using AD and/or eDir groups and containers to assign the applications, which works well and keeps things flexible in our environments.

Cheers,
Willem
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Willem,
When you remove a user from a AD group or container it should remove the relationship from the user, right?
What happens if for some reason you rename a group or AD container?


>>> On 7/12/2010 at 3:46 PM, magic31<magic31@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:



kwhite;1997601 Wrote:

> We are moving from ZFD with Applications associated to containers and
> groups to ZCM. AD will become our user source. Best Practice should I
> use AD groups or containers to apply relationships or Bundle Groups and
> associate users to Bundle Groups?


Use what works for you.... for us we stick to using AD and/or eDir
groups and containers to assign the applications, which works well and
keeps things flexible in our environments.

Cheers,
Willem


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Renaming a User, Group, or OU does not effect ZCM associations.

The reason is that the association is not stored using the NAME but
rather the Unique Identified for that LDAP Object.

This Identifier is persistent across object renames.


> What happens if for some reason you rename a group or AD container?

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Glad to know that Craig. You'd be surprised how many apps we have that "work with" eDir/AD via LDAP and use a database and do NOT use the UniqueID (so moves/renames breaks the info in the database and we have to have our DBA manually adjust).
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Craig,

Thanks it is good to know I have the same flexibility I had with eDir and ZFD.


>>> On 7/13/2010 at 10:42 AM, craig wilson<craig_d_wilson@yahoo.com> wrote:


Renaming a User, Group, or OU does not effect ZCM associations.

The reason is that the association is not stored using the NAME but
rather the Unique Identified for that LDAP Object.

This Identifier is persistent across object renames.



> What happens if for some reason you rename a group or AD container?
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Re: Bundle Relationship Best Practice

kwhite;1997984 wrote:
Willem,
When you remove a user from a AD group or container it should remove the relationship from the user, right?
What happens if for some reason you rename a group or AD container?

As Craig already pointed out, ZCM just moves along with the changes you make in the AD. Works very well and keeps thing flexible.

Cheers,
Willem
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We have somewhat the same situation.

Thing is we tried to use Bundle Groups (for lets say all the office components) and attach them to a ZCM WorkstationGroup. All works well till you open up the properties of a device.

You will get something like this: "Novell ZENworks Control Center has encountered an error. The details of the error are shown below. "
With a bunch of java errors.

How did you make a relationship between bundle groups and the devices? (using AD containers?)

Using ZCM 10.3
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rniekoop;1998503 wrote:
We have somewhat the same situation.

Thing is we tried to use Bundle Groups (for lets say all the office components) and attach them to a ZCM WorkstationGroup. All works well till you open up the properties of a device.

You will get something like this: "Novell ZENworks Control Center has encountered an error. The details of the error are shown below. "
With a bunch of java errors.

How did you make a relationship between bundle groups and the devices? (using AD containers?)


We don't use Bundle Groups to deploy applications to devices within ZCM.
Our environments are focused on user associations and less on device associations.
We use the AD or eDir groups, add the needed AD/eDir users in those groups. ZCM then sees those relations (we add the user and group containers in our ZCM user sources). Then it's just a matter or linking the bundle with the desired AD/eDir group.


I did have a try of adding a bundle group to the device and indeed find that same java error. Seems like there something not right there.

-Willem
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Re: Bundle Relationship Best Practice

Found out what can be and what can't be done. Thanks to esh.

We had an image ZCM Workstation container associated...

Posted this here: http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/zenworks/configuration-management/zcm-bundles/411880-bundle-group-assigned-workstation-group.html

Using ZCM 10.3
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Re: Bundle Relationship Best Practice

rniekoop;1998553 wrote:
Found out what can be and what can't be done. Thanks to esh.

We had an image ZCM Workstation container associated...

Posted this here: http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/zenworks/configuration-management/zcm-bundles/411880-bundle-group-assigned-workstation-group.html

Aha... that explains it as that is true here too.
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Re: Bundle Relationship Best Practice

rniekoop;1998553 wrote:
Found out what can be and what can't be done. Thanks to esh.

We had an image ZCM Workstation container associated...

Posted this here: http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/zenworks/configuration-management/zcm-bundles/411880-bundle-group-assigned-workstation-group.html


Passing this on to my Novell contact, seems this has been resolved with 10.3.1. (The exact situation of assigning a bundle group and image group causing the java error when pulling up the device they are assigned to).
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