mlbarrett Absent Member.
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Can't get broker loaded

OK, Netware 6.5 created the broker and ndpsm object through iprint via imanager.. went to remote manager and at system console screen:

LOAD BROKER .N02_BROKER.CBE_LABS

the message is LOADING BROKER .NLM [NOT MULTIPLE]

Then I load the ndpsm and I get [OK]

I go back into nwadmin, into resource management and it sez the broker is not loaded.. In remote manager, under modules it sez these puppies are loaded.

obviously I 'm a trainee.. I guess I'm asking: what is [NOT MULTIPLE]??

thanks
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nekstedt1 Absent Member.
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

mlbarrett,

> obviously I 'm a trainee.. I guess I'm asking: what is [NOT MULTIPLE]??


It means that the broker.nlm is already loaded, and cannot be loaded, and
you cannot have multiple instances of it loaded at the same time.

You can always unload the already running instance by issuing the 'unload
broker' command.

Also the preferred way to manage iPrint on NW 6.5 is through iManager.


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Niclas Ekstedt Sr Consultant Atea Sverige AB
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mlbarrett Absent Member.
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

Thanks for the reply, Sir.. can I ask one more question please? so if I have 1 fileserver and 5 workstations connected to it via novell client for windows, are you saying that only 1 broker/manager needs to be loaded? Not 5 different ones? I had 5 different ones in different contexts of edirectory, but all failed saying that they weren't loaded when viewing RMS.. Trying to add the resource was greyed out even though i specified the context when creating the broker.

I appreciate your time and expertise
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

mlbarrett,

> Thanks for the reply, Sir.. can I ask one more question please?


Sure, that's what we're here for, fire away 🙂

> so if I
> have 1 fileserver and 5 workstations connected to it via novell client
> for windows, are you saying that only 1 broker/manager needs to be
> loaded? Not 5 different ones?


You just need one broker and also one manager. Think of the broker as a
library holding all your print drivers. The broker service as a repository
for the managers, that handles the different printers, spooling jobs etc.

You then create printers representing the various printers within your
organisation. Connect these to the manager that should service them and
also tell the printer which driver to use (the driver being supplied by
the broker). You associate the printer with the user or workstation that
needs it installed. The workstations of course need to have the iPrint
Agent installed. Alternatively you can let users install the printers
themselves manually by browsing to http://<server_ip_address>/ipp

I hope this sheds some more light on things. Please note that you can
find all documentation at ww.novell.com/documentation.



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Niclas Ekstedt Sr Consultant Atea Sverige AB
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mlbarrett Absent Member.
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

Last question. I understand that only broker and manager needs to be loaded. my setup is basically a classroom, with 5 workstations connected to the 6.6 fileserver.. The locally connected printer to the fileserver is an old HP 4 PLUS. So each of the students, (which I am one ;{) ) are loading their own brokers and managers in different contexts of the edirectory thru their stations. so I am hoping that you are telling me this these multiple instances of brokers is why the ndps is not working (can't find the rms)

I really appreciate your time

thanks again
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nekstedt1 Absent Member.
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

mlbarrett,

> Last question. I understand that only broker and manager needs to be
> loaded. my setup is basically a classroom, with 5 workstations connected
> to the 6.6 fileserver.. The locally connected printer to the fileserver
> is an old HP 4 PLUS. So each of the students, (which I am one ;{) )
> are loading their own brokers and managers in different contexts of the
> edirectory thru their stations. so I am hoping that you are telling me
> this these multiple instances of brokers is why the ndps is not working
> (can't find the rms)


Yes!!
While we're on it, I really would appreciate some more explanation on
your environment. Cause from this last message I'm having a hard time
trying to figure out what you are trying to accomplish 😞
Are you trying to provide print services to these 5 workstations or are
these students using this one server learning howto setup their own
iPrint environment?

The first bit will work, you just need one broker, one manager and one
printer object setup, to provide the printer to the 5 workstations/
students.

The second bit will not work unless the students can take turns
laborating with iPrint. Cause the server can just have one broker loaded
at the time.
If learning/laborating with iPrint is what these students need to do,
you're be better off providing them each with their own server.

Please give us much detail as possible and we'll help you through.


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Niclas Ekstedt, CNA/CNE/CNS/CLS
Systems Engineer/NSC Sysop
Telindus Sweden AB

Niclas Ekstedt Sr Consultant Atea Sverige AB
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

We;re just 6 students in a cna class.. netware 6.5, with 5 stations connected. all have admin rights.. 2 weeks ago was queue based printing, which went down flawlessly. last week was the ndps. We were all trying to load our brokers and managers.. And that's where I got the [NOT MULTIPLE] on the console.. Let's see, the printer is local to the file server. I'm assuming, and I hope I am wrong that we CANNOT load brokers and managers at the same time. but I was loading mine in different context of the tree.. most everybody else followed the text. but when I view the properties of the broker, to specifically make sute the enviornment space is defined, it keeps saying that broker isn't loaded. but when looking at all the .nlm.s loaded it's there. but for all I know, it ain't mine (does that make sense? It's somebody elses)
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

ok, we're 6 students in a cna class.. netware 6.5 all 6 are connected through their workstations and have admin rights..the printer is connected to the fileserver. 2 weeks ago was queue based printing which went off flawlessly. last week was the ndps, of which this thread is all about.
So after creating the manager and broker object, and loading them via the console we get the [not multiple] for the broker. the manager is [ok]
I figure there's something wrong when I go into the broker's properties to see the resource management area and it sez that the broker isn't loaded.. but when I look in the modules loaded, it sez the broker and manager.nlm are loaded.. all 6 of us are loading their "creations" in different contexts of the tree, so i would think it wou;ld'nt matter how many brokers are loaded
so i guess I'm wondering if only one instance of the broker can be loaded and we all access it? i'll be there tonite and work on it again
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

mlbarrett,

Like I said earlier, that's just the problem. You cannot have 6 persons
simultaneously trying to load 6 different brokers on the same server.
It doesn't matter if the brokers are in different contexts.

When loading the broker you can specify the path to the broker object, ie;

load broker .my-broker.edu.acme

IIRC, you can have more than one manager running simultaneously on the
same server. Though they should not manage the same printers.


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Telindus Sweden AB

Niclas Ekstedt Sr Consultant Atea Sverige AB
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mlbarrett Absent Member.
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

Thanks for your time.. I'll be onsite in a couple of hours and try it again..
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

mlbarrett,

OK, just post back if you have anymore thoughts.


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Telindus Sweden AB

Niclas Ekstedt Sr Consultant Atea Sverige AB
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

Finally success.. the short answer is: a) I did'nt define the correct path to resource manager service (sys:ndps) b) When I created the object and defined the correct path, I examined the broker's details and the RMS was still not defined and was greyed out.. This was puzzling. So the final answer was c} Load the broker.nlm and then the objects details were in the rms field.

That's what fouled everything up. I assumed if I defined the path, it would show up in nwadmins details. But it had to be loaded first

I live I learn, i guess

I thank you for your patience, and expertise
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Re: Can't get broker loaded

mlbarrett,

> I live I learn, i guess


That's what lifes's all about 🙂

> I thank you for your patience, and expertise


No worries, glad to see your on your way


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Telindus Sweden AB

Niclas Ekstedt Sr Consultant Atea Sverige AB
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