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NDPS questions

I finally got NDPS working with a NDPS printer on a NetWare 6.5 SP4 server.
I do have the following questions:

Question 1:

I added the printer driver for Windows 200 and Windows XP in the Broker and
Printer and all services are enable in the NDPSM. I don't want to install
the iPrint client as I already have Novell client installed. On the Windows
2000 Professional workstation, I use Add printer > Network printer > Browse
for a printer > NDPS printer and found the NDPS printer. However, I got the
mssage:

The server on which the printer resides does not have the correct printer
driver installed. If you want to install the driver on your locak computer.
Click OK. But then the printer installed fine. I am not sure where it gets
the printer driver. I have reloaded broker.nlm and NDPSM.nlm but still got
the same message when adding the printer.

I thought the advantage of NDPS vs queue-based is so that I can push the
driver out using NDPS.

Question 2:

Do I have to restart the 2 nlms when I change the properties of Broker and
NDPS Manager? I did for the above but wondering how often I should reload
the broker.nlm & ndpsm.nlm.

Question 3:
Without the iPrint client, for me to replace the existing queue-based setup
to NDPS printer, the only way I know is to manually delete the queue-based
printer and use add print option as above to add the new printers. Does
anyone have other suggestions. Note I don't have ZENWork yet!

Question 4:
We only want uses to print to the network printers when they are in the
office and all machines have Novell client installed. Does it make any
difference for using NDPS vs iPrint?

Question 5:
Some drivers came with Windows so when I update the driver on the Broker, I
would have to "add using system" to update the printer driver but then I
cannot tell what is the driver version? Any workaround for the above?

Question 6:
If I update the driver on the Broker & Printer object, will the client gets
the update drivers using the Novell client?

I know it is a long list but I am new with NDPS.

Thanks
Che
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Re: NDPS questions

Question 1: It almost sound like the driver is not associated to the
printer. After uploading the driver to the broker, did you associate this
driver with the printer in question??

Question 2: No, you should not have to reload the services. They should
be dynamic, however if changing drivers in the broker, there is a
possibility the reference the printers are making to the broker would be
changed. In this case, you simply visit printer in question and re-assign
the drivers. You can use the Print Manager Health Monitor to view quite a
bit of information concerning your printing setup. Look at doc
http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes/index.html?page=/documentation/oes/i
print_nw/data/front.html in documentation. It has good information.
Basically you go to a browser and type
"http://server_address_or_DNS_NAME/psmstatus" This should take you to the
Health Monitor Portal..

Question 3: NDPS does have that ability to do RPM (Remote Printer
Management) This is a "ZEN-Like" feature but you don't need zen to use it.
It basically allows you to set up printer installs/deletes based on user,
group, and container. If using iManager to manage print, look at the
Remote Printer Management task.. Also, with queue based printing, you can
setup NDPS to service those same queues, so users could continue to capture
and print how they are currently, and NDPS would service those queues on the
back end. This would facilitate a transition to NDPS for the clients in a
slow and orderly fashion (implemented with RPM)

Question 4: NDPS will only allow printing with a Novell Client 32
installed with the NPDS support (we refer to this as the FAT Client)..
iPrint does allow printing, however you are still required to install a
client to access via iPrint, you are just given the opportunity to install
the client easier with iPrint and the client has a smaller footprint on the
workstation..

Question 5: Yes this is a bummer, there is no way to see the particulars
of the driver "guts" after uploading to the broker, unless you install a
printer with that driver associated with it and then check it out. This
feature would be a good enhancement for the OES Linux solution going
forward..

Question 6: If you are using RPM, you can specify "Udate Driver" that
accomplishes this very task. The driver update does not happen
automatically. This is a feature that is being planned for the next OES
Linux release with iPrint..



Hope this helps. Check out www.novell.com/iprint for more information and
goodies...



>>> On 4/24/2006 at 2:52 PM, in message

<RTa3g.26$HI3.25@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com>, <cche888@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I finally got NDPS working with a NDPS printer on a NetWare 6.5 SP4
> server.
> I do have the following questions:
>
> Question 1:
>
> I added the printer driver for Windows 200 and Windows XP in the Broker
> and
> Printer and all services are enable in the NDPSM. I don't want to
> install
> the iPrint client as I already have Novell client installed. On the
> Windows
> 2000 Professional workstation, I use Add printer > Network printer >
> Browse
> for a printer > NDPS printer and found the NDPS printer. However, I got
> the
> mssage:
>
> The server on which the printer resides does not have the correct
> printer
> driver installed. If you want to install the driver on your locak
> computer.
> Click OK. But then the printer installed fine. I am not sure where it
> gets
> the printer driver. I have reloaded broker.nlm and NDPSM.nlm but still
> got
> the same message when adding the printer.
>
> I thought the advantage of NDPS vs queue-based is so that I can push the
> driver out using NDPS.
>
> Question 2:
>
> Do I have to restart the 2 nlms when I change the properties of Broker
> and
> NDPS Manager? I did for the above but wondering how often I should
> reload
> the broker.nlm & ndpsm.nlm.
>
> Question 3:
> Without the iPrint client, for me to replace the existing queue-based
> setup
> to NDPS printer, the only way I know is to manually delete the
> queue-based
> printer and use add print option as above to add the new printers. Does
> anyone have other suggestions. Note I don't have ZENWork yet!
>
> Question 4:
> We only want uses to print to the network printers when they are in the
> office and all machines have Novell client installed. Does it make any
> difference for using NDPS vs iPrint?
>
> Question 5:
> Some drivers came with Windows so when I update the driver on the
> Broker, I
> would have to "add using system" to update the printer driver but then I
> cannot tell what is the driver version? Any workaround for the above?
>
> Question 6:
> If I update the driver on the Broker & Printer object, will the client
> gets
> the update drivers using the Novell client?
>
> I know it is a long list but I am new with NDPS.
>
> Thanks
> Che

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Re: NDPS questions

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:26:11 +0000, iprintrox wrote:

> Question 5: Yes this is a bummer, there is no way to see the particulars
> of the driver "guts" after uploading to the broker, unless you install a
> printer with that driver associated with it and then check it out. This
> feature would be a good enhancement for the OES Linux solution going
> forward..


Hmm... is this a subtle hint that future iPrint enhancements will only be
in OES/Linux and not OES/NetWare?

Joe
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Anonymous_User Absent Member.
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Re: NDPS questions

Thanks for the detailed explanation, much appreciated.

> Question 1: It almost sound like the driver is not associated to the
> printer. After uploading the driver to the broker, did you associate this
> driver with the printer in question??


Yes, I did but it still gives me the error. Unfortunately I don't have
another print server that I can try. However, I will install the first
Netware 6.5 server sometime next week and will configure NDPS on the live
network then.

>
> Question 2: No, you should not have to reload the services. They should
> be dynamic, however if changing drivers in the broker, there is a
> possibility the reference the printers are making to the broker would be
> changed. In this case, you simply visit printer in question and re-assign
> the drivers. You can use the Print Manager Health Monitor to view quite a
> bit of information concerning your printing setup. Look at doc
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes/index.html?page=/documentation/oes/i
> print_nw/data/front.html in documentation. It has good information.
> Basically you go to a browser and type
> "http://server_address_or_DNS_NAME/psmstatus" This should take you to the
> Health Monitor Portal..
>
> Question 3: NDPS does have that ability to do RPM (Remote Printer
> Management) This is a "ZEN-Like" feature but you don't need zen to use it.
> It basically allows you to set up printer installs/deletes based on user,
> group, and container. If using iManager to manage print, look at the
> Remote Printer Management task.. Also, with queue based printing, you can
> setup NDPS to service those same queues, so users could continue to capture
> and print how they are currently, and NDPS would service those queues on the
> back end. This would facilitate a transition to NDPS for the clients in a
> slow and orderly fashion (implemented with RPM)


Yes, my intend is to keep queue-based printer until all workstations are
updated with the NDPS setup. I will also try the iPrint client and see
which one is better. Looks like iPrint is printing system for Novell from
now on, right?

>
> Question 4: NDPS will only allow printing with a Novell Client 32
> installed with the NPDS support (we refer to this as the FAT Client)..
> iPrint does allow printing, however you are still required to install a
> client to access via iPrint, you are just given the opportunity to install
> the client easier with iPrint and the client has a smaller footprint on the
> workstation..
>
> Question 5: Yes this is a bummer, there is no way to see the particulars
> of the driver "guts" after uploading to the broker, unless you install a
> printer with that driver associated with it and then check it out. This
> feature would be a good enhancement for the OES Linux solution going
> forward..
>
> Question 6: If you are using RPM, you can specify "Udate Driver" that
> accomplishes this very task. The driver update does not happen
> automatically. This is a feature that is being planned for the next OES
> Linux release with iPrint..
>
>
>
> Hope this helps. Check out www.novell.com/iprint for more information and
> goodies...
>
>
>
> >>> On 4/24/2006 at 2:52 PM, in message

> <RTa3g.26$HI3.25@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com>, <cche888@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I finally got NDPS working with a NDPS printer on a NetWare 6.5 SP4
> > server.
> > I do have the following questions:
> >
> > Question 1:
> >
> > I added the printer driver for Windows 200 and Windows XP in the Broker
> > and
> > Printer and all services are enable in the NDPSM. I don't want to
> > install
> > the iPrint client as I already have Novell client installed. On the
> > Windows
> > 2000 Professional workstation, I use Add printer > Network printer >
> > Browse
> > for a printer > NDPS printer and found the NDPS printer. However, I got
> > the
> > mssage:
> >
> > The server on which the printer resides does not have the correct
> > printer
> > driver installed. If you want to install the driver on your locak
> > computer.
> > Click OK. But then the printer installed fine. I am not sure where it
> > gets
> > the printer driver. I have reloaded broker.nlm and NDPSM.nlm but still
> > got
> > the same message when adding the printer.
> >
> > I thought the advantage of NDPS vs queue-based is so that I can push the
> > driver out using NDPS.
> >
> > Question 2:
> >
> > Do I have to restart the 2 nlms when I change the properties of Broker
> > and
> > NDPS Manager? I did for the above but wondering how often I should
> > reload
> > the broker.nlm & ndpsm.nlm.
> >
> > Question 3:
> > Without the iPrint client, for me to replace the existing queue-based
> > setup
> > to NDPS printer, the only way I know is to manually delete the
> > queue-based
> > printer and use add print option as above to add the new printers. Does
> > anyone have other suggestions. Note I don't have ZENWork yet!
> >
> > Question 4:
> > We only want uses to print to the network printers when they are in the
> > office and all machines have Novell client installed. Does it make any
> > difference for using NDPS vs iPrint?
> >
> > Question 5:
> > Some drivers came with Windows so when I update the driver on the
> > Broker, I
> > would have to "add using system" to update the printer driver but then I
> > cannot tell what is the driver version? Any workaround for the above?
> >
> > Question 6:
> > If I update the driver on the Broker & Printer object, will the client
> > gets
> > the update drivers using the Novell client?
> >
> > I know it is a long list but I am new with NDPS.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Che


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