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Separate hard disk for the appliance?

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"Create a separate VMware hard disk for the appliance. This is the location where you will store your iPrint files.". Optional. Ok, I understand purpose for separate hard disk for Filr - user files etc., but what purpose does it serve here, with iPrint Appliance? Because, for backup is suggested to create a file and during new appliance install load it. Meaning, iPrint Appliance is probably ok to install in one? Probably is ok to keep all these files in ... general location? Or not? Didn't find anything of this optional disk in backup/restore, either.
Probably I missed something.
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NovAlf wrote:

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> Hi!
> "Create a separate VMware hard disk for the appliance. This is the
> location where you will store your iPrint files.". Optional. Ok, I
> understand purpose for separate hard disk for Filr - user files etc.,
> but what purpose does it serve here, with iPrint Appliance? Because,
> for backup is suggested to create a file and during new appliance
> install load it. Meaning, iPrint Appliance is probably ok to install
> in one? Probably is ok to keep all these files in ... general
> location? Or not? Didn't find anything of this optional disk in
> backup/restore, either. Probably I missed something.
> More thanks, Alar.


It's not really needed for iPrint. Just as you said, the iPrint
appliance upgrade procedure is completely different from Filr, where
you export the configuration to a ZIP file and use that on a newly
deployed appliance to read in all the old information (printers,
drivers, everything) so there's no need at all for the second disk.

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Thanks!
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Hi again!
Well, I was told that during setup of appliance there is only choice for local (hard disk) setup to choose a additional hard disk, or - not option for us - remote NFS. And, there is a warning -- "data must not be stored on the appliance's system disk". So far I haven't seen this setup screen, I don't have a access. So, seems to ... this additional disk is still a need-to-be? Interesting, meaning, iPrint - comparing to Filr - probably don't need to have a lot of files to keep and backup scheme is different ... .
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NovAlf wrote:

> Well, I was told that during setup of appliance there is only choice
> for local (hard disk) setup to choose a additional hard disk, or - not
> option for us - remote NFS. And, there is a warning -- "data must not
> be stored on the appliance's system disk".


Yeah, if you don't have a second disk you'll get a warning because Filr
and iPrint use a common appliance architectue and Filr really needs the
second disk. You can safely disregard the warning when configuring the
iPrint appliance.

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Hi and thanks again!
Ok, we'll next time try ignoring this at beginning. If there will be a next time!
Why I'm asking all about this. We tried to upgrade iPrint Appl 1.0.0 to 1.0.1 and ... weren't able. Even we choose a new install ... . But we did add an "old" additional disk, maybe - not sure, though - because of this. Today we did add a clean additional disk and ... fine!
May we detach this 'additional disk' at this moment, meaning, iPrint Appliance configured (just basically, we don't have a printers etc. attached, just certs and users)!?
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NovAlf wrote:

> Ok, we'll next time try ignoring this at beginning. If there will be a
> next time!
> Why I'm asking all about this. We tried to upgrade iPrint Appl 1.0.0
> to 1.0.1 and ... weren't able. Even we choose a new install ... . But
> we did add an "old" additional disk, maybe - not sure, though -
> because of this. Today we did add a clean additional disk and ...
> fine! May we detach this 'additional disk' at this moment, meaning,
> iPrint Appliance configured (just basically, we don't have a printers
> etc. attached, just certs and users)!?


The only way I know of to upgrade from 1.0.0 to 1.0.1 is to export the
config to a ZIP on the 1.0.0 appliance, deploy 1.0.1 using all the same
IP info, then when you are asked if it's new or upgrade select upgrade
and then browse to the ZIP file from the original appliance. I don't
think you can do the upgrade with the disk detach/reattach method like
with Filr.

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Hi and thanks!
No-no, sorry, my English probably not so good to explain. We didn't try to upgrade iPrint as Filr, we installed new appliance 1.0.1 and attached same disk as it was with 1.0.0, no plans that this disk would in any way help upgrading, no-no. Just this kind of install didn't succeed even we did not upgrade, but choose clean install (https://forums.novell.com/novell-product-discussions/file-networking-services/iprint/473067-stuck-setting-up-new-iprint-appliance-please-wait.html). Strange, I know, but we were able to install new 1.0.1 after we attached a clean new disk, not the with old info one.
Anyway, may we detach this added disk after we installed appliance already?
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NovAlf wrote:

> No-no, sorry, my English probably not so good to explain. We didn't
> try to upgrade iPrint as Filr, we installed new appliance 1.0.1 and
> attached same disk as it was with 1.0.0, no plans that this disk
> would in any way help upgrading, no-no. Just this kind of install
> didn't succeed even we did not upgrade, but choose clean install
>

(https://forums.novell.com/novell-product-discussions/file-networking-services/iprint/473067-stuck-setting-up-new-iprint-appliance-please-wait.html).
> Strange, I know, but we were able to install new 1.0.1 after we
> attached a clean new disk, not the with old info one.
> Anyway, may we detach this added disk after we installed appliance
> already?


Ah, I see. Well I've not tried attaching a second disk at all to the
iPrint appliance so I'm not sure of the affects of adding one or
attempting to detach the second disk. Before detaching, take a look at
where it's mounted. I'm assuming it would still be mounted as
/vastorage, and if so look to see what if anything is stored there. If
it's truly empty then you could likely detach it as long as you also
remove the associated line in /etc/fstab which mounts the second disk.
If you see any files in that location, though, then you'd likely need
to redeploy the appliance from scratch making sure to not attach a
second disk during deployment.

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Hi and thanks!
You're correct, it's mounted as /vastorage and seems to all iPrint files located there, so. detaching it is not an option.
Not sure right now what is best to proceed. Meaning, as I have a plans to migrate printers from OES11 to Appliance, is best to do new install ignoring second disk or proceed with current install and rely on second disk, which is waste. Or must I ask from Novell what plans they have for future versions of iPrint, maybe this secondary disk will be something mandatory as for Filr!? Or this Filr-like setup is at this moment just a cosmetic, mean dialog for "recommended" attaching second disk, which - as You wrote - is reasonable to ignore, in iPrint context.
Anyway, seems to when to try accomplish a new clean install with secondary disk attach need to be remembered to clean up this secondary disk, too, before attaching it to clean install. Maybe this is need to be done also with upgrading, not sure, though.
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NovAlf wrote:

> You're correct, it's mounted as /vastorage and seems to all iPrint
> files located there, so. detaching it is not an option.
> Not sure right now what is best to proceed. Meaning, as I have a plans
> to migrate printers from OES11 to Appliance, is best to do new install
> ignoring second disk or proceed with current install and rely on
> second disk, which is waste. Or must I ask from Novell what plans
> they have for future versions of iPrint, maybe this secondary disk
> will be something mandatory as for Filr!? Or this Filr-like setup is
> at this moment just a cosmetic, mean dialog for "recommended"
> attaching second disk, which - as You wrote - is reasonable to
> ignore, in iPrint context. Anyway, seems to when to try accomplish a
> new clean install with secondary disk attach need to be remembered to
> clean up this secondary disk, too, before attaching it to clean
> install. Maybe this is need to be done also with upgrading, not sure,
> though. More thanks, Alar.


If you haven't really done anything with the appliance yet, I'd suggest
redeploying it, making sure not to attach a second disk, then migrate
your printers from OES11 to the appliance. If you want to make
certain, though, you could always open an SR and ask NTS.

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Hi and thanks!
Yes, yesterday got finally installation wo additional disk, it does work, we'll see. Starting, soon, migrating printers.
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